MAC questions (SU related)
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scott,
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i have run the windows version of vray for sketchup on my macbook pro (2.4 ghz, 4gb ram) under parallels. no problems at all. the same is true of podium.
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vray for sketchup is about to release a mac version soon. they told me it would be in july.
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bootcamp is supposed to be a better choice to run windows on the mac. i have not tried it yet but am going to. it seems to be the only one that allows you to use the full power of your mac under emulation.
good luck.
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@unknownuser said:
Please, for the love of God, do not buy your RAM and upgraded harddrives from MAC. MAC charges a ridiculous amount for them. Check out OWC or NEWEGG for much better prices.
Ah, yes, I forgot to point that out! Kannonabal is absolutely right! I bought 16 Gb of RAM a little while ago. Would've cost me little over € 2000 (according to our office's Mac supplier, anyway) if I went with Mac. Luckily, Kwisten pointed out I'd be fine buying from other manufacturers too. I eventually chose for Kingston RAM, and ended up paying € 700. Quite a difference. 2026.1039 US Dollar, to be precise! Imagine all the fun stuff you can do with that. Call girls! Cocaine!
@edson said:
vray for sketchup is about to release a mac version soon. they told me it would be in july.
So ... it'll be out in december.
@edson said:
bootcamp is supposed to be a better choice to run windows on the mac. i have not tried it yet but am going to. it seems to be the only one that allows you to use the full power of your mac under emulation.
I though BC wans't an emulator?
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Edson, i think the problem with running vray under parallels is that you get reduced processing power compared to running straight in the OS (as you would be doing with boot camp.)
I'm also not sure wether the virtual machine can use more than 2 of the host computers cores, obviously not a problem on macbook but if youve got an mac pro (aka the 8 core beast) its probably a bit disappointing.
Good news about vray for mac though. If they are running on schedule i reckon thats probably your bet bet, scott.
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And as stinkie said boot camp isnt an emulator, its just a utility that helps you install windows on your mac and then boot in to it.
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Guys,
Nice to wake up to this wealth of info, so thanks alot. As far as the RAM it is the owner who wants to just buy it all at once. He is a bit old school so it is what it is. I agree I could find it cheaper though. As far as the video cards, that is good to know. Does anyone know if I can have 2 8800's? Does MAC run SLI? I will be running the 30" apple monitor with a wacom Cintiq 20WSX. I have heard the wacom can be a bit of a card hog just sitting idle so I would like to let it run on its own card. If I can not run 2 in SLI does anyone have any other suggestions?
What has been purchased so far"
Wacom cintiq
Sketchup
Modo 302
Photoshop Master series
Vista ultimateStill looking at:
Cheetah
Rhino
Concepts unlimited
VRWorxsI am still reading about Parallels vs bootcamp vs VMware (fusion). Still have not made up my mind yet.
I need to have all this nailed down by monday. They want all purchases by then. If anyone else has any ideas on anything else I may need or want please feel free to let me know.
You guys have been great and I really appreciate all the help.
Scott
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@unknownuser said:
I though BC wans't an emulator?
i am not really sure what it is. i just know it allows one to run windows on a mac. perhaps it performs better than parallels and fusion because it is not an emulator.
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The part I do not like about Bootcamp is having to reboot to work within PC apps. I know under parallels I can switch without having to reboot. Parallels can hog some resources but I am hoping with the build I speced that will not be an issue.
Does anyone else have experience with Parallels vs Bootcamp?
Scott
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i do not like that either. that is the reason i moved to parallels in the first place. however, there seems to be a way to ease the rebooting. have a look here. that thread deals with the same topic treated here.
i used bootcamp under tiger until it expired but did not use it for rendering purposes. with parallels/win/SUp/podium i have no major problems.
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I think you will find that running SU in Parallels or Fusion works pretty well. Once you get into rendering, though, you want to maximize processor allotment, which can only be done with Bootcamp. You are right that rebooting is not at all an elegant solution, and can be a thorn in your workflow. Having Windows open in just another window is pretty sweet and I still get a kick out of flipping between OS's.
I would really take a look through the MAC forums before choosing Parallels; there seems to be quite the consensus that Fusion is a superior product. I have had no issues with Fusion and installing and getting it set up was very easy.
All things being equal, I would highly recommend getting render package that runs on the MAC side; life is really good when you are rendering a 8sec, 240 frame, 2560x1440 animation and you look at your processor activity and it is running at 98% usage. Makes you feel like you spent your money well. That animation took 36 hours to render, BTW, so every second per frame you can maximize saves a ton of time over the long run.
I could be wrong here, but I thought that the only real reason to run 2 graphics cards is so you can run 3 or 4 monitors. I use a Wacom tablet with no problems with 1 card, FWIW.
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Thanks Chuck. We will end up running a display wall of 4 monitors down the road and that will be up in the lobby, so I will need to upgrade down the road for sure. I think for now I will run 1 8800. That should run the 30" and the wacom without an issue. I think for rendering I am down to Modo302 and Cheetah. They have already bought Modo so I think I can just have them spring for Cheetah as well. I will upload some pics in a few weeks of the whole set up.
After some reading last night I think Fusion is the best I am going to get. Parallels still has some people complaining and that has me a bit worried. If I have to change later it is not a huge investment so I should be able to get that change made.
Scott
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I use VMware vs. Parallels. Used to use Parallels, but VMware just seems better in a number of ways (stability, speed, features).
But I didn't have to use between VMware or Bootcamp. You get both. I can launch VMware when I went it and mac open at the same time. And I can reboot into windows when I want real power. I think Parallels does the same. I will say that I have issues with startup time for Windows (others in office don't have this problem, have not pinned down why), but once windows is running, application are fast.
One things I can't do with dual vm/bootcamp setup is to suspend windows. With VMware only you can quit VM ware where it saves your windows state. Makes for quick startup next time, because windows is right where you left it with applications already open. Since mine is shared with bootcamp, it has to be shut down when I'm done.
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Thanks David. I am really happy that I am getting all this great info. I appreciate everyones input.
Scott
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@unknownuser said:
Concepts unlimited
in the meanwhile rebranded to 'Shark FX' with new version 5 (inkl. SU filter) and also functional limited versions called 'Shark' (no rendering/animation) and 'ViaCAD' avail:
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if you don't need modeling capabilities but looking for a renderer with an intuitive interface check resp. try Art•lantis too:
have fun,
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Norbert,
I already have Artlantis V2. I was looking at Shark (thanks for the link) but could not find anything regarding a SU Filter. Can you point me to the documentation?
Scott
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@unknownuser said:
...could not find anything regarding a SU Filter.
Scott
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Norbert,
So your saying Shark FX took the place of Concepts unlimited?
Scott
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i'm going to interject here hoping to get some answers. i'm running SU through parallels and i'm having the issue where the 'snap points' (if that's what you call them), and drag arrows don't show up. for example when using the tape measure tool. wouldn't think that that would be annoying but it really is comforting to see a corner light up when you're drawing a line from it.
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@unknownuser said:
So your saying Shark FX took the place of Concepts unlimited?
Scott,
Shark and Shark FX are essentially version 5 of the Concepts Unlimited product with feature improvements and updated core technology. This release introduces full parametric dimensions and constraints, multiple viewports and more modeling tools.
Also added are .OBJ export for data sharing, spline arcs, OpenGL display of textures, updated modeling kernel (ACIS R17), Autocad 2008 DWG support and updated Pro/E and CATIA v4 translators.
you can view an extended list of new features and changes at:
http://www.csi-concepts.com/Demo/shark/SharkReleaseNotes.pdf (~ 7mb)
hope that clarifys,
Norbert -
Just saw that you mentioned Rhino. Tried MoI yet? Not quite the beast Rhino is, but it's a nice app to have.
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Stinkie,
I tried it a while back but really did not like it. Plus I think if I have the budget available right now I might as well get them to pay for Rhino over Moi.
I know what some are thinking, why Sketchup plus Modo or Rhino? multiple modeling apps? Well, I want to broaden my modeling capabilities not to mention there are still a handful of thing that SU does not do or it does do then just not as efficiently as other apps. Multiple rendering apps? Well some times I have time to go with Vray or something else that takes more time, other times I need Artlantis or something faster. Granted not really apples to apples but time is money and I need options.
I am really appreciative to everyone for your input and help. I have until tuesday to make my decisions so feel free to keep giving input.
Scott
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