okay, thanks for the link. I'll give it a shot. I am just doing what I can with the software I currently have at hand. until then, here is a update render...with a little colour! [image: fisher3.png] [image: whichareyou.png]

I like the designs, but you should start using vray materials to have good looking surfaces. Vray installs quite a lote, and you find a lot more on their site