Roman Theatre in Cartagena (Spain) Work in progress
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I don't understand what you mean by "stretching" the walls, sorry. Also pictures with lines shown would be better for it is a bit hard to see the details without them.
From what was found (I guess at least the foundations) you should be able to tell the thickness of the walls. But use the same thickness all the way up (the Romans did not change it as they were advancing upwards) if that is your problem. If the problem is the transition between the Ionic capitals and the arches, you can use abaci for that (that is the "regular" way - also they usually used something that resembles the architrave and the friese crowned by a cornice).
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You don't understand me because I insist that my english is limited, sorry for that.
I will make a thinner wall to fix it, thanks for your help (It is going to give me a headache, as I have to make a new "half column component", I believe)
As I am too perfectionist, I am studying now the volumes inside the basilica to figure how it was, just with the few ruins we have. And I believe that I have an idea.
I don't know if the Basilica, inside it, had naked stone or there was any kind of paintings. I am thinking in the future, when I apply textures to it.
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Gaieus, the problem is fixed.
And probably, the people won't see the work I have done, but I have enjoyed a lot. I have designed a possible distribution of the floors and stairs. Well, I haven't made the stairs (the empty rooms without floor at the right), as it is a lot of work. But at this moment I have a good guide to put the windows. And I have explained my self how the basilicae worked.
Anyway, I think that the room at the ground floor may have paintings. If you give me your opinion, It would be very usefull for me.
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The half column seems odd. I have never seen one used like that-maybe in postmodernism. But I am no expert-the Romans did many kind of things with their orders.
Anssi
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Well, there are some occult walls, so you can't see the half column perfectly.
And I have to fix the base of the columns, is half done.
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Well, in a prestigeous building you may well expect some decoration on the walls. It can be either painting or some marble decoration like in this basilica in Enna, Sicily. (I wouldn't put mosaic on the walls though).
Anyway, there must have remained some remnants (even the smallest fragments) of any kind of decoration which could give you a clue what to put on the walls.As for half columns and the Romans - they did use them when putting them against the walls like with the so called Maison Carrée in Nimes:
It would be quite logical to put them there to "finish" or "enclose" the framing of the entrance.
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Gaieus: In fact, I visited le "Maison Carrée" 10 years ago
And there are rests of half columns "enclosing" the entrance in the Basilicae.
(Bottom left).
The roman theatre of cartagena was very well preserved but very "crushed". As you see in the photo you can imagine that no remnants of paintings have been found. But I see that there is a "fog" of secrecy and it will last untill the new Moneo's Museum opens in 1 or 2 months. Perhaps we may know something about it in the future.
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Just a fast link of a image:
http://i30.tinypic.com/wqv7uu.jpg
It's a "Beta" of the full model in Google Earth. It's made in a fast way, there is a lot of work to do yet.
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did you upload this model to the 3d warehouse?
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Right now the model has a lot of mistakes and must be rebuilt in some places, so it is not uploaded. For example the inma and media cavea are bigger than the ruins of the real theatre (my model has a smaller orchestra). And I have to work on some textures.I am waiting for the new museum to be opened, a lot of information will allow me to improve the model a bit more.
At this moment the skp filesize is 8.5 mb, but the kmz file size is 34,8 mb, so I can't upload it to Google Earth.
Anyway, you can see the model with the kmz file in my personal Google Earth (beta 4.3) here:
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Small update:
The spanish (I believe latin) name is "Ara". It was found in the excavations.
You have a render here (the letters are too bright, sorry):
And you can rotate the model here:
http://pichuneke.googlepages.com/AraPaetus5_index.html
(You know, that plugin to export the views to web).
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Altar in English. Would be interested what's written on it, though!
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Don't worry, the photos I have are not the best (and they are not mine
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His brother:
And in this spanish forum, you can find a lot of photos of the recently opened museum (including the source of theo ones I have linked here)
Text:
C(aii) CAESARIS. AVGVSTI.F(ilii)
PONTIF(icis).CO(n)S(ulis).DESIG(nati)
PRINCIPIS.IVVENTVTIS
[L(ucius).IVNIVS.L(ucii).F(ilius).T(iti) N(epos). PAETVS.
[SAC(rum)]
[D(onum)].D(edit)Dedicated to the children of Agrippa and Julia, the "young princes", to which the theatre was dedicated.
I think that another altar with the name of his brother is lost. Something like "L Caesaris. Avgvsti...".
In fact, the Frons pulpiti is resolved with the 3 known altars to Jupiter and... I don't remember (Minerva?). The 3 principal gods, in spanish "triada capitolina", the 2 altars you have seen now, and another 2 similar altars. I haven't linked photos to the 3 altars to Jupiter and company.
The other altar:
L(ucius) IUNIUS L(ucii) F(ilius) T(iti) N(epos)
PAETUS
FORTUNAE SAC(rum) D(onum) D(edit) -
A new Render:
The bronze texture is not definitive, I don't like it, there is a pattern. In fact I must ask you about the window. I knew I wanted to do that window, but... Which material? Bronze? Wood? Marble? Iron?
I don't know... Your help or your opinion about roman windows will be very appreciated
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"C(aii) CAESARIS. AVGVSTI.F(ilii)
PONTIF(icis).CO(n)S(ulis).DESIG(nati)
PRINCIPIS.IVVENTVTIS
[L(ucius).IVNIVS.L(ucii).F(ilius).T(iti) N(epos). PAETVS.
[SAC(rum)]
[D(onum)].D(edit)"
I have the weird feeling that these words should be in dativus instead but I know those Hispanic were weirdos those days as well! Anyway, I like the bronze railing of the window. It could be wood or iron as well but definitely not marble IMO (just because it would be harder to make).
I would, however make some structure (maybe a segment arch) above the window to support the wall above it.
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@gaieus said:
"C(aii) CAESARIS. AVGVSTI.F(ilii)
PONTIF(icis).CO(n)S(ulis).DESIG(nati)
PRINCIPIS.IVVENTVTIS
[L(ucius).IVNIVS.L(ucii).F(ilius).T(iti) N(epos). PAETVS.
[SAC(rum)]
[D(onum)].D(edit)"
I have the weird feeling that these words should be in dativus instead of ablativus but I know those Hispanic were weirdos those days as well! Anyway, I like the bronze railing of the window. It could be wood or iron as well but definitely not marble IMO (just because it would be harder to make).
I would, however make some structure (maybe a segment arch) above the window to support the wall above it.
My latin was always limited (one year when I was 16) and is a bit... rusty
. Rosa rosae. Ave Caesar morituri te salutant = Las Aves del Cesar mueren por falta de salud (The birds of Cesar are dying because of a lack of health) Respect the arch... I had the same idea, that is exactly one of the things I have to do in a future with that window. But it depends of the future ornaments around the window. I don't think that the original theatre was like that. There were marbles and that stuff... you know.
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Yes, definitely such a structural element may have been covered by marble slabs (as usual in Roman architecture).
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^^ In some pdfs I have read that there were marble slabs (today I learned a new word
), cipollino and others. I am wondering (apart from The Panteon) what other examples of roman walls with marble can be usefull for me... I am looking for inspiration. -
See some decorative coverings (both floor and walls) in the basilica in Piazza Armerina (English version here).
Unfortunately not too big images but for some inspiration they're fine
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