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    Gaieus
    last edited by 21 Jul 2008, 10:08

    Altar in English. Would be interested what's written on it, though! πŸ˜‰

    Gai...

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      pichuneke
      last edited by 21 Jul 2008, 11:55

      Don't worry, the photos I have are not the best (and they are not mine 😞 ), but I have the text πŸ˜‰

      Both altars.

      http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9633/dsc0532iq9.jpg

      His brother:

      http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9844/dsc0316ks8.jpg

      And in this spanish forum, you can find a lot of photos of the recently opened museum (including the source of theo ones I have linked here) πŸ˜„

      Text:

      C(aii) CAESARIS. AVGVSTI.F(ilii)
      PONTIF(icis).CO(n)S(ulis).DESIG(nati)
      PRINCIPIS.IVVENTVTIS
      [L(ucius).IVNIVS.L(ucii).F(ilius).T(iti) N(epos). PAETVS.
      [SAC(rum)]
      [D(onum)].D(edit)

      Dedicated to the children of Agrippa and Julia, the "young princes", to which the theatre was dedicated.

      I think that another altar with the name of his brother is lost. Something like "L Caesaris. Avgvsti...".

      In fact, the Frons pulpiti is resolved with the 3 known altars to Jupiter and... I don't remember (Minerva?). The 3 principal gods, in spanish "triada capitolina", the 2 altars you have seen now, and another 2 similar altars. I haven't linked photos to the 3 altars to Jupiter and company.

      The other altar:

      L(ucius) IUNIUS L(ucii) F(ilius) T(iti) N(epos)
      PAETUS
      FORTUNAE SAC(rum) D(onum) D(edit)

      Forgive my spanglish...

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        pichuneke
        last edited by 21 Jul 2008, 13:52

        A new Render:

        http://i36.tinypic.com/of80vp.jpg

        The bronze texture is not definitive, I don't like it, there is a pattern. In fact I must ask you about the window. I knew I wanted to do that window, but... Which material? Bronze? Wood? Marble? Iron?

        I don't know... Your help or your opinion about roman windows will be very appreciated πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

        Forgive my spanglish...

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          Gaieus
          last edited by 22 Jul 2008, 09:15

          "C(aii) CAESARIS. AVGVSTI.F(ilii)
          PONTIF(icis).CO(n)S(ulis).DESIG(nati)
          PRINCIPIS.IVVENTVTIS
          [L(ucius).IVNIVS.L(ucii).F(ilius).T(iti) N(epos). PAETVS.
          [SAC(rum)]
          [D(onum)].D(edit)"

          I have the weird feeling that these words should be in dativus instead but I know those Hispanic were weirdos those days as well! πŸ˜„ πŸ˜„ πŸ˜„

          Anyway, I like the bronze railing of the window. It could be wood or iron as well but definitely not marble IMO (just because it would be harder to make).

          I would, however make some structure (maybe a segment arch) above the window to support the wall above it.

          Gai...

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            pichuneke
            last edited by 22 Jul 2008, 09:39

            @gaieus said:

            "C(aii) CAESARIS. AVGVSTI.F(ilii)
            PONTIF(icis).CO(n)S(ulis).DESIG(nati)
            PRINCIPIS.IVVENTVTIS
            [L(ucius).IVNIVS.L(ucii).F(ilius).T(iti) N(epos). PAETVS.
            [SAC(rum)]
            [D(onum)].D(edit)"

            I have the weird feeling that these words should be in dativus instead of ablativus but I know those Hispanic were weirdos those days as well! πŸ˜„ πŸ˜„ πŸ˜„

            Anyway, I like the bronze railing of the window. It could be wood or iron as well but definitely not marble IMO (just because it would be harder to make).

            I would, however make some structure (maybe a segment arch) above the window to support the wall above it.

            My latin was always limited (one year when I was 16) and is a bit... rusty πŸ˜„ . Rosa rosae. Ave Caesar morituri te salutant = Las Aves del Cesar mueren por falta de salud (The birds of Cesar are dying because of a lack of health) πŸ’š πŸ’š

            Respect the arch... I had the same idea, that is exactly one of the things I have to do in a future with that window. But it depends of the future ornaments around the window. I don't think that the original theatre was like that. There were marbles and that stuff... you know.

            Forgive my spanglish...

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              Gaieus
              last edited by 22 Jul 2008, 09:43

              Yes, definitely such a structural element may have been covered by marble slabs (as usual in Roman architecture).

              Gai...

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                pichuneke
                last edited by 22 Jul 2008, 19:54

                ^^ In some pdfs I have read that there were marble slabs (today I learned a new word πŸ˜„ ), cipollino and others. I am wondering (apart from The Panteon) what other examples of roman walls with marble can be usefull for me... I am looking for inspiration.

                Forgive my spanglish...

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                  Gaieus
                  last edited by 23 Jul 2008, 08:05

                  See some decorative coverings (both floor and walls) in the basilica in Piazza Armerina (English version here).

                  Unfortunately not too big images but for some inspiration they're fine πŸ˜„

                  Gai...

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                    Gaieus
                    last edited by 24 Jul 2008, 06:15

                    Great photos, thanks! And the museum seems to be a really nice building too.

                    The whole area is really rich in Roman finds I see (or place here was just a "remote, barbarian, military" province πŸ˜„ )

                    Gai...

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                      pichuneke
                      last edited by 24 Jul 2008, 14:36

                      Thanks... but I was asking for walls... and in the photos I only saw floors. I know that it's very difficult to find anything appart from The Panteon.

                      On the other hand is an advantage, as anybody can tell me that my work is not ok πŸ’š

                      I thank you a lot Gaieus. I believe you are really interested in the theatre.

                      Ah... and I believe that I didn't link the pages with a lot of photos of the new Museum, you have them here:

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                      (See following pages).

                      And photos of the bull ring that is being dismantled partially because it is placed over the amphitheatre. I believe that a new excavation is going to start there:

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                      And finally the excavations on the "Molinete" (Little wind mill) hill. At the top of that hill, Amilcar, father of Anibal, had its palace. But the ruins that are being excavated now are roman.

                      Link Preview Image
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                      Forgive my spanglish...

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                        pichuneke
                        last edited by 19 Aug 2008, 15:39

                        New Renders with Kerkythea:

                        http://i36.tinypic.com/ra14ci.jpg

                        http://i38.tinypic.com/eb2atl.jpg

                        Forgive my spanglish...

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