Please help build my new 'chine...
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Time to upgrade (mainly my laptop is making noises and I don't have a backup machine, just in case)...some answers, please, mainly about the functioning of SU (I already have all the power I need for autocad and PSP):
Pentium better than AMD? Than others?
Dual core not supported by SU? I'm told I'll still see faster because windows functions will operate on one while SU is using the other?
4meg cache better (as in noticeable) than 2? 800ghz better than 667?
4gig ram better than 2? Speed of ram a reasonable consideration?
Is nvida still the hot card for SU? Is 768meg nvidia better than 512?
Is there a future reason to install XP as a dual boot with Vista? Or just clean vista out? Is there a reason to go XPpro over XPhome? Not to go?
Thanks for your support! :`)
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Tom IMHO I'd advise against Vista, just read the other posts about it. I think it is a white elephant for design purposes. I got it a few months ago. First off, my SU icon on the desktop wouldn't work, when I clicked on it, it crashed, so I've had to replace it with a file shortcut that just goes to a blank SU file. Some SU plugins won't work with vista either. This is all mentioned in "Win Vista and older ACAD versions" and some other older posts.
I have dual core though and SU seems to run very well.
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ever thought of switching to a mac? now you can even run windows on it. you would have the best of two worlds. just a thought...
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Edson...yeah, sometimes, but I'm thinking I don't have the patience for the learning curve right now (and you guys seem to discuss work-arounds a lot :`)
Jon...yeah, for now I'm sure I want nothing to do with Vista, but I wonder about leaving it on the machine for some future innovation (though it doesn't seem to be a popular notion :`)
Thought of another question: I seem to remember someone telling me XP won't recognize more than 2gig of ram (maybe they said XPpro could?)...?
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Tom, I have XP Pro SP2 with 3 GB of RAM, no problems. Personally, I prefer the pro version over the home version. We use pro at work, but a few years ago at home I had the home version; I can't remember exactly what the difference was, just that I didn't care for it, so now I have pro at home too.
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I think one difference is thatthe Home version cannot be on a network - but never take me seriously when it comes to hardwares and softwares...
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@tomsdesk said:
Edson...yeah, sometimes, but I'm thinking I don't have the patience for the learning curve right now (and you guys seem to discuss work-arounds a lot :`)
tom,
the learning curve is really not steep: in a couple of hours you would have understood how the system works. besides, if you do not want to learn macintoshese right away you can run windows for as long as you wish and only later get into mac.
it is a pity mike lucey went into hiding. he made the switch and is very happy with it.
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@gaieus said:
I think one difference is thatthe Home version cannot be on a network - but never take me seriously when it comes to hardwares and softwares...
You can network on Home, just nothing major ie: a business setting. I had my own computer, my friends computer, and his moms computer all on a single network sharing a printer with XP Home way back when I lived with them.
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To go back to Tom's original question:
It is usually said that the specs for SU should be "A lot of everything". IMO this is roughly true, but with today's hardware the performance difference between a "basic" SU computer and another with double the price is disappointingly small. The SU "experience" is split between the main processor and the graphics card, with the former taking care of the faces and edges, and the latter mainly of the textures and shadows. So SU is very processor intensive, and as it only can use a single one, the real bottlenecks are there. The memory on a graphics card is important only if you use a lot of big textures, and the difference between a mediocre graphics card and an ultra-cool whizbang one is almost imperceptible.
Anssi
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@gaieus said:
(though obviously he was conversing with someone not even having registered to the new board yet
)i bet he got confused with the fact that the old topics have now recent dates. you could very well be replying to something posted 6 months ago!
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especially when you face with dozens of "new" topics with about the same date/time...
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@tomsdesk said:
Dual core not supported by SU? I'm told I'll still see faster because windows functions will operate on one while SU is using the other?
This is definitely NOT TRUE (although I've also heard "experts" say otherwise).I know this because I had an HPzd7000 Pentium4 2.4GHz lappie which died and was replaced by a HP dv8000 Centrino Duo 1.83GHz and although it is a better machine in every way, much better nVidia graphics card, bigger HDD and more RAM (only 1.5Gb though), runs multiple programs brilliantly, runs some programs (especially render progs) faster and runs way cooler IT DEFINITELY RUNS SKETCHUP SLOWER. Not a little bit slower but almost a third slower. In other words I went from having 2.4GHz available to run SU to having 1.83GHz. Dual core CPUs may allow SU to run faster when you're machine has several high demand progs running at the same time, but I used to have Vue d'Esprit rendering in the background while modelling in SU all day and yet SU was still very noticably slower when I switched to the dual core CPU.
Having said that don't let me put you off- I wouldn't change back for anything! Even though 90% of my work is done in SU it's still way fast enough for even large architectural models. I love that my render progs run almost twice as fast and knowing that my machine isn't running at MAX POWER all the time (my old machine got HOT... TOO HOT) helps me sleep better at night.
In any case, it can only be a matter of time before SU goes multi-thread.
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Tom,
After much agonizing I have finally got an Asus 17" laptop with Vista. I was going to get it reinstalled with XP Pro but it was going to cost me, and the sales guy said it was an option later if I get too p....d off with Vista.A couple of things.....if you have the option, go with XP Pro...Dell Vostro series, for example, all offer XP as an alternative OS. If you get a machine with Vista, only get Vista Business series as these are downgradeable (?
) to XP [Home series are not].Centrino Dual Core is pretty much the standard offering these days so it would be pointless going for something with lesser specifications.
The lappie I have is 2.2Gig, 2 Gig RAM, nVidia GeForce Go8600M GS 256MB
and seems to be running OK and and at reasonable speed. I turned off Aero immediatly and have turned off that unbelievably stupid, idiotic, asinine, #$@^&%$#@*&%!!!!^%$#@& security warning that pops up so often it would drive me round the twist in a week. As a result Vista's security features are turned off and I'm relying on my router firewall and Norton and Spybot for protection.To date SU seems OK on Vista and my ACLT 2000 seems to be OK as well, running in compatibility mode.
So, so far, Vista isn't quiet as bad as I feared, but I'm glad I have the option of going back to XP.
Stu
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Jackson,
@unknownuser said:
@unknownuser said:
Jon Wood wrote:
Dual core not supported by SU? I'm told I'll still see faster because windows functions will operate on one while SU is using the other?This is definitely NOT TRUE (although I've also heard "experts" say otherwise).I think you mean Tom.
@unknownuser said:
I know this because I had an HPzd7000 Pentium4 2.4GHz lappie which died and was replaced by a HP dv8000 Centrino Duo 1.83GHz and although it is a better machine in every way, much better nVidia graphics card, bigger HDD and more RAM (only 1.5Gb though), runs multiple programs brilliantly, runs some programs (especially render progs) faster and runs way cooler IT DEFINITELY RUNS SKETCHUP SLOWER.
In this case I'm probably just seeing SU run faster as I have a newer machine - not because of dual core.
Stu said:
@unknownuser said:
So, so far, Vista isn't quiet as bad as I feared,..........
I agree, I haven't said a good word for it, probably unfair, it isn't un-useable. I don't feel so frustrated with it that I'll be switching back to XP, although I have had to stop using a few useful older programs but I can run all the essentials.
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Jon,
God, I really shouldn't post late on Saturday nights! At first I couldn't understand how that happened (as I just used the standard forum quote button), but I realised I must've selected Tom's text, but clicked the quote button below (i.e. in your reply) rather than above. DOH! Thanks for pointing that out, sorry for missattributing that to you.
Back to forum school for me!
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Do you know you can run SU on Ubuntu Linux? I'm going to try it on my old machine.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3855156There is proof of this on you tube.
Youtube Videodrivers:
http://aksels.de/software.php#sketchI've never used Linux before but it fits mine and my colleagues business philosophy - it's free so worth a try. "Is it free?" should be our slogan.
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(Jackson...the quote and edit buttons used to be on the bottom, so not you or me either :`)
Okay, thanks so much, you guys...learned a bunch and confirmed some of my own thoughts (guesses). A little more, please:
Above is $909 worth of computer from Dell (w/ free shipping). They want $250 more for a 3ghz E6850 processer or $300 for 2 more gigs of ram. What's the best use of the money...if either? Or both?
I added $80 to upgrade the video card from a 128meg GT (don't think anyone I know can afford a Quadro)...the one picked a good card?
Also, am I a fool not to get a modem? I have a outboard modem that came with my dsl that works both cable and wireless (this 'chine is a Vostro 400, so should have a network card).
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Tom,
I would go for the faster processor.....2 Gig of RAM should be adequate for XP [I've run XP home for years on 1 Gig. The Video sounds OK....the 8600 card seems to be ubiquitous at the moment but it seems nVidia is no longer the perfect solution for open GL apps.
Cant think why you would need an internal modem [faxing maybe] but a wireless network card would be essential, for me at least.
And just a thought...a 20" wide screen doesn't provide all that much real estate to work with...if it was me I would be trying to stretch the budget to a 24"....but there is a huge leap in price between 20"/21" and 24" screens.
Good luck,
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Stu, that's what I was thinking too (about spending the money on chip speed) but I read in a thread here that if you have more than 2gig of ram XP will let SU use a full 2gig...?) Also, I was thinking $300 sounds high for two 1gig-ers...?
Anyway, yeah on the monitor...I already have a 24" but there wasn't an option to go no-monitor for less money...anybody want to by a 19" if I do this? :`)
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