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@stinkie said:
@mike lucey said:
(...)I would vote for Trump simply because he is a deal maker more than a war monger.
How would we know that? He's not held any office so far.
We do know, however, 'the Donald' has a strained relationship with the truth, doesn't shy away from racism and misoginy, and holds peculiar views on such staples of democracy like the freedom of press.
Clinton is by no means a saint -but that doesn't change the fact that Trump, quite frankly, is a complete fruitcake, who holds a worldview not unlike that of an egotistical ten-year-old.
I don't know that he is not a potential war monger but I was impressed with his statements about his willingness to talk to the various opposition heads of state around the World.
I pity USA voters if the choice will be between Trump or Clinton. Then again they have not had much choice in quite a while. I think I would have to go back to JFK and he only scraped in also his policies were not tolerated by 'the powers that be'.
Its much the same the world over. It seems to me that 'the powers that be' decide what the electorates choice will be from and they don't really care which candidate is elected as they will either control them or eliminate them.
Personally I'm for more Direct Democracy https://www.google.co.nz/search?client=opera%26amp;q=Direct+Democracy%26amp;sourceid=opera%26amp;ie=UTF-8%26amp;oe=UTF-8 which frightens the crap out of 'the powers that be'. With it they loose control and this is their aim at any cost even their own ultimate demise.
With today's instant communication methods I see no reason for us to give the reins of a country to anyone for 5 years to do as they wish.
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@kaas said:
I really hope in the voting box people see past their reluctance for Hillary and see she has a ton of experience for the job where the other candidate totally has not. We don't need another cowboy in charge of a super power.
Like I said, I pity the USA electorate's choice between what appears to be a proven liar (knowingly or not) or a so called 'cowboy'. At least with the 'cowboy' they would know that he may not be fully 'bought and paid for'. Yes, its a case of 'the devil and the deep blue sea' I'm afraid.
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I highly recommend listening to Chris Hedges: The Algebra of Revolution http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/15/chris-hedges-the-algebra-of-revolution/
Its eye opening, thought provoking and even anger producing to say the least.
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@mike lucey said:
I don't know that he is not a potential war monger but I was impressed with his statements about his willingness to talk to the various opposition heads of state around the World.
Well ... That's the least one could expect, isn't it?
I'd not vote for that man with a gun held to my head. He reminds me of Mussolini: a narcissistic blowhard with a rather unhealthy thirst for confirmation and power.
I sincerely hope Trump does not get elected.
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@stinkie said:
@mike lucey said:
I don't know that he is not a potential war monger but I was impressed with his statements about his willingness to talk to the various opposition heads of state around the World.
Well ... That's the least one could expect, isn't it?
I'd not vote for that man with a gun held to my head. He reminds me of Mussolini: a narcissistic blowhard with a rather unhealthy thirst for confirmation and power.
I sincerely hope Trump does not get elected.
Yes, I agree a US President talking to the opposition before attacking is the least US citizens would hope for but I have my doubts this will be the case if Trump doesn't get elected.
The World has had a taste of what to expect in this case and I for one don't what to see more bloodshed and countries destroyed around the World.
Hopefully USA voters will be able to overlook Trump's trashy flashiness and realise that fundamentally he has some potential to do as he says, "Make America Great Again", which in turn will also help World affairs and promote peace and prosperity.
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@mike lucey said:
Hopefully USA voters will be able to overlook Trump's trashy flashiness and realise that fundamentally he has some potential to do as he says, "Make America Great Again"(...)
You'll have to explain that one, Mike. I don't, er, 'see it'.
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@stinkie said:
@mike lucey said:
Hopefully USA voters will be able to overlook Trump's trashy flashiness and realise that fundamentally he has some potential to do as he says, "Make America Great Again"(...)
You'll have to explain that one, Mike. I don't, er, 'see it'.
They say folks should be judged by what they do rather than what they say. Trump, whether you like him or not is an achiever and gets the job done one way or the other. I don't think he is terribly interested in money at this stage so there might be a chance that BIG business, Bankers and Wall Street won't he able to control his policies too much.
I notice that he is keeping his mouth zipped more these days as he realises that he has a good shot at the Presidency. I also notice that both presidential running mates are of Irish ancestry. Mike Pence's maternal grandmother's parents were from Doonbeg, County Clare, 30 miles down the road from me.
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@mike lucey said:
They say folks should be judged by what they do rather than what they say.
That's not how elections work. People are judged by two things:
- What they say;
- If people believe what they say.
Only if someone is running up for a second time, can he be judged by what he did.
What Trump proved up until now, at least to the rest of the world, it's that he is a rather narrowminded man. That was useful for him as a business man, but someone ruling a country having a narrow view of things can only lead to a narrow way of ruling...
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@mike lucey said:
They say folks should be judged by what they do rather than what they say.
All right.
Trump said he'd 'protect' the LGBT community. What he did, however, was choose a running mate who's staunchly against same-sex marriage and civil union.
I'd not share a taxi with someone like that, let alone make him my veep.
@mike lucey said:
Trump, whether you like him or not is an achiever and gets the job done one way or the other.
Trump went bankrupt four times. Despite the considerable head start.
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I'm glad I don't have the choose between either of the presidential candidates!
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@solo said:
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The more I think about it Pete, the more that sign rings true
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@mike lucey said:
I highly recommend listening to Chris Hedges: The Algebra of Revolution http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/15/chris-hedges-the-algebra-of-revolution/
Its eye opening, thought provoking and even anger producing to say the least.
Thanks Mike. Quite a thinker and speaker.
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An interesting dissection of how Trump talks and why people are attracted to his 'different' style...
...and why his constant presence in the news is growing his popularity and his unpolitical approach....
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Its all twists and turns. Here is a clear take on the current situation.
As the Election Turns: Trump the Anti-Neocon, Hillary the New Darling of the Neocons
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/25/as-the-election-turns-trump-the-anti-neocon-hillary-the-new-darling-of-the-neocons/ -
@mike lucey said:
Its all twists and turns. Here is a clear take on the current situation.
As the Election Turns: Trump the Anti-Neocon, Hillary the New Darling of the Neocons
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/25/as-the-election-turns-trump-the-anti-neocon-hillary-the-new-darling-of-the-neocons/Mike, That's also interesting, and one thing I am sure of is the Republican elite are going to hate it if Trump gets elected. But I can't take what he says as serious, as I would when Sanders makes a policy statement. As pointed out in the earlier video, he's a great salesman and what he is selling is not important, it's the sale itself. A few specific policy statements are not an indication of what will really happen in the next four years for any candidate. What's important to me is not handing the Republicans more power (however funny that might be to watch with Trump at the head).
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@rich o brien said:
An interesting dissection (...)
Looks good. Thanks, Rich.
@pbacot said:
(...) one thing I am sure of is the Republican elite are going to hate it if Trump gets elected.
Yeah. I'm sure there's quite a few Republicans who fear Trump'll run the GOP into the ground. They might be right, too.
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