Piano Room
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@pbacot said:
Twilight has a tool built-in just for trying out the thirds in a scene and setting up the camera.
Thea for SU also has it available
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Thanks for sharing the video Pete. Some good advice.
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Even if the cameraman did use different parts of the windmill to align in each part of the video.
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Purely academic and subjective!
More barrier for one, more grass for the other!
Not sure that the first is more dynamic!
All tastes are in nature!
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Hey guys :
I watched the video. It has some good pointers. I cropped the rendering with the "positioning" mentioned in the video. I hope this looks better. garystan
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Hey guys :
Hope I'm making any sketchucation mistakes. I just wanted to let you guys know that I watched the video. Some good ideas there. So I kinda adjusted the Piano Room....thinking about the postioning. Hopefully, this is an improvement. garystan
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garystan, the scale of the piano is still bothering me. did a quickie search. The measurement from the floor to the bottom of the piano "case" is approximately 28 1/2" ( where your knees go when playing ), from floor to the top of the "lid is 40".your bookcase/credenza seems to dwarf the piano in size. most low bookcases and credenza's are usually 28" - 30" high on average. the next thing is just personal preference. I'd move the camera position to the right where you would have a more raking view of the wall with the bookcase. I'd rotate the piano a little clockwise so your not looking so straight on at it. It would also bring more of the sofa into view. All that said" by george your standing at the plate swinging at the pitches". Keep it up it's how you learn and get better.
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As far as scale goes, since you asked. I am just imagining someone sitting on that couch and the on the piano seat. Someone who would sit on that seat might have their legs dangling at the couch.
How wide is the piano? how long is your guitar?
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@tuna1957 said:
garystan, the scale of the piano is still bothering me. did a quickie search. The measurement from the floor to the bottom of the piano "case" is approximately 28 1/2" ( where your knees go when playing ), from floor to the top of the "lid is 40".your bookcase/credenza seems to dwarf the piano in size. most low bookcases and credenza's are usually 28" - 30" high on average. the next thing is just personal preference. I'd move the camera position to the right where you would have a more raking view of the wall with the bookcase. I'd rotate the piano a little clockwise so your not looking so straight on at it. It would also bring more of the sofa into view. All that said" by george your standing at the plate swinging at the pitches". Keep it up it's how you learn and get better.
quote="tuna1957"]garystan, the scale of the piano is still bothering me. did a quickie search. The measurement from the floor to the bottom of the piano "case" is approximately 28 1/2" ( where your knees go when playing ), from floor to the top of the "lid is 40".your bookcase/credenza seems to dwarf the piano in size. most low bookcases and credenza's are usually 28" - 30" high on average. the next thing is just personal preference. I'd move the camera position to the right where you would have a more raking view of the wall with the bookcase. I'd rotate the piano a little clockwise so your not looking so straight on at it. It would also bring more of the sofa into view. All that said" by george your standing at the plate swinging at the pitches". Keep it up it's how you learn and get better.
@tuna1957 said:garystan, the scale of the piano is still bothering me. did a quickie search. The measurement from the floor to the bottom of the piano "case" is approximately 28 1/2" ( where your knees go when playing ), from floor to the top of the "lid is 40".your bookcase/credenza seems to dwarf the piano in size. most low bookcases and credenza's are usually 28" - 30" high on average. the next thing is just personal preference. I'd move the camera position to the right where you would have a more raking view of the wall with the bookcase. I'd rotate the piano a little clockwise so your not looking so straight on at it. It would also bring more of the sofa into view. All that said" by george your standing at the plate swinging at the pitches". Keep it up it's how you learn and get better.
/quotetuna1957 : I did some re-arranging. Resizing the furniture. Adjusting the view......etc............. Hopefully, this looks better. garystan
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@solo said:
Composition is key in any image, be it a photo or a render.
Here is a handy tip:
solo :
I did a little work on it. Re-arranging the furniture.....point of view...scale...etc. Hopefully, this looks better. (And, keeping the 2/3 rule in mind).garystan
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ditto what pbacot said. a few comments, the corner of the windows still catches my eye first, then I go to the various objects in the room. Pick the object that you want to be the focal point and adjust your view so that is what the eye is drawn to first. I'd increase the field of view some so you have more of the left side of the scene in view. I'd try lowering the eye height a little maybe. It just take trying different angles and such until you hit that sweet spot. Keep experimenting ....
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@pbacot said:
Good work! Feeling much better with piano etc. The exterior picture is the wrong perspective for the room. You'd want the horizon lower and the vanishing points sort of going along with the window grid.
pbacot :
I wasn't sure about where to set the horizon. I didn't want to give the impression that the room was high up. As for the pic itself.......I wasn't sure about that either. Thanks for your comments (advice). garystan -
@tuna1957 said:
ditto what pbacot said. a few comments, the corner of the windows still catches my eye first, then I go to the various objects in the room. Pick the object that you want to be the focal point and adjust your view so that is what the eye is drawn to first. I'd increase the field of view some so you have more of the left side of the scene in view. I'd try lowering the eye height a little maybe. It just take trying different angles and such until you hit that sweet spot. Keep experimenting ....
tuna1957 : Taking a closer (and second) look at it. Yeah.....I think you're right about the perpsecive of the background. I take it......this part of the learning process..... garystan -
@garystan said:
@pbacot said:
Good work! Feeling much better with piano etc. The exterior picture is the wrong perspective for the room. You'd want the horizon lower and the vanishing points sort of going along with the window grid.
pbacot :
I wasn't sure about where to set the horizon. I didn't want to give the impression that the room was high up. As for the pic itself.......I wasn't sure about that either. Thanks for your comments (advice). garystanIf you look at the window sill and the horizontal muntins, the lines converge in the area of the lower panes, so the eye level of the viewer is somewhere in the lower pane, and the horizon would be there, not in the upper pane.
WOOPS I edited the wrong post. The picture should go here.
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Good work! Feeling much better with piano etc. The exterior picture is the wrong perspective for the room. You'd want the horizon lower and the vanishing points sort of going along with the window grid.
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garystan, just want to reinforce I'm in no way knocking your efforts. By gosh your trying and asking questions and that's how you get better. Was a little bored last night so threw together an example model to try and better express some of the things I was saying. Have no idea the exact dimensions of your room so just sort of tried to get reasonably close. Just put representations of the 3 main elements. Killed the color as it was a little distracting from what I was trying to show. The piano is a concert grand and very close to real world dimensions. Lowered eye height and set F.O.V.to 45 degrees. My point is don't be afraid to experiment ... keep up your efforts
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Horizont of outside exterior is always tricky.
I usually set a 360° pano as background, so I don't have to worry about the horizont. It always matches. wherever your viewpoint is.
Here's an example (Have a look at exterior):
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To : tuna1957
Mike Amos
pbacot
pilou :Thanks for your advice guys. I did a re-do (for the Xth time) of Piano Room. I think I got it this time. garystan
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@jo-ke said:
Horizont of outside exterior is always tricky.
I usually set a 360° pano as background, so I don't have to worry about the horizont. It always matches. wherever your viewpoint is.
Here's an example (Have a look at exterior):
jo-ke :
Do you mean a 360 degree panoramic background ? Could you explain more about this ? And how do I go about setting up a 360 degree background. Where do I find it ? Sorry about all the questions. But, this does sound interesting. garystan
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