3D Truss Models

medeek

I will download your stair plugin and give it a go.

That whole spiral staircase thing looks like a real challenge to code, don't even want to go there.

medeek

Raised/Energy heels add another level of complexity to the equation. Below you can see that various heights of a raised heel on a simple King Post truss requires different configurations and hence separate plating routines:

This also affects the gable trusses as well, below is a fink truss with its gable counterpart:

View models here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=91d8d78a-8e6c-4dab-9839-4d689c84c297
https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=89739563-049f-4277-bfca-75663724967e

I'm still house cleaning. I've now got the King Post, Fink and Howe truss fully cleaned up with connector plates enabled for all possible configurations (raised heel, non-raised heel, structural, non-structural). I've only got 9 more common truss types to work through, see list below:

Queen Post
Fan
Mod Queen
Double Fink
Double Howe
Mod Fan
Triple Fink
Triple Howe
Quad Fink

medeek

Raised Heel Howe Truss:

medeek

Version 1.7.9 - 01.15.2017
-Enabled metal plate connectors, materials and custom layers for king post, howe and queen post trusses.

Added energy/raised heels for queen post truss (3 variants: wedge, slider and vertical w/ strut).
Added energy/raised heels for howe truss (3 variants: wedge, slider and vertical w/ strut).
Metal plate connectors now enabled for king post, queen post, fink and howe raised heel/energy trusses.

medeek

I'm still investigating "real world" applications of the plugin to determine where the weakness and deficiencies are. Here is an example combining a dutch gable rafter roof with some raised heel trusses. Now that the raised heel feature is fully active for many of the common trusses it is actually quite easy to measure and then match the heel height of the rafters.

View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=461e63b6-4965-4697-b864-a9fbe464d53a

I am interested in how others are actually using the plugin and where it is falling down for you, please feel free to send me models or post on the forum with your "real world" design issues with regards to the plugin. This will help drive future development and prioritize the more important items on the todo list.

medeek

Raised heel double fink truss with connector plates:

I added this one today and will roll it into verson 1.7.9b.

medeek

In the advanced options for common roof trusses I currently have the sheathing option. I am wondering if it might be useful to also enable a gypsum wallboard option for the ceiling, with a global setting that sets the exterior wall thickness (inset) and the gysum thickness:

View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=813a4989-6dc0-4de3-9380-3b89296c6013

Please chime in if this is something that would have some utility or not.

juju

@medeek said:

In the advanced options for common roof trusses I currently have the sheathing option. I am wondering if it might be useful to also enable a gypsum wallboard option for the ceiling, with a global setting that sets the exterior wall thickness (inset) and the gysum thickness:

View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=813a4989-6dc0-4de3-9380-3b89296c6013

Please chime in if this is something that would have some utility or not.

That would be useful! Below are some parameters I would appreciate to help speed up the process:

board thickness (manual entry, but remembers the last used value)
offset from walls (manual entry, but remembers the last used value)
Z-offset, to bottom of ceiling, below tie-beam (manual entry, but remembers the last used value)
batten sizing (manual entry, but remembers the last used value)
batten spacing (manual entry, but remembers the last used value)

I like the way you pull out all the stops! I gather the above will also comply to your regimen of being able to preselect the layer assignments?

Something else (more-or-less in line with your train of thought with the above) that would be great to have, if it could be added as well,0 is the ability to automatically generate an extruded plane (extrusion height manual entry, but remembers the value last used) as the roof material. Generally I model these as a box on top of the purlins/roofing battens as a representation of the roofing material, would be great if there were some automation involved here.

juju

@medeek said:

If its not too much I will probably also specify two additional layers:

ceiling_gypsum
ceiling_batten

Ceilings aren't always made of gypsum board, I think we would need to consider an alternative name there? However, as long as the user is aware, this shouldn't pose a problem even if the naming stays as you proposed.

@medeek said:

What is the typical size for ceiling battens in your locale?

typically 38x38mm and 38x50mm is used, depending on truss spacings

@medeek said:

Also with a roof plane/extrusion, I see the necessity with having this addition when one uses battens but what about when there is already a sheathing layer on the roof and no battens?

I would still consider having the option there. Where I'm from, the typical roof construction does not use sheathing, I think I've used it once ever, with RheinZink as final roof material finish... Maybe some of the other people here can give us some feedback here?

medeek

On a similar note I would also like to create a new section in the global settings for "Sheathing". Here one can select whether sheathing will be an enabled advanced option by default or not and also other default parameters like sheathing thickness (wall and roof separately). My default sheathing material is OSB but in the global settings I will add a toggle between OSB and Plywood.

So far I have not dealt with wall sheathing on the gable ends, leaving it to the user to add their own but I would like to make that an option.

Also with the roof sheathing I would like make a global setting option of coloring the exterior/top face with a pre-determined roofing material if no other roofing extrusion is present, I've got to think about this some more.

My thinking is that the global settings should allow one to setup or customize the plugin so that all of your typical settings are "fine tuned" for you thereby minimizing the effort required when presented with all of the input menus during the roof creation process.

medeek

Another item I have been putting off is the heel blocking. I'm planning on offering two variants (vertical and angled), with the option to draw in the ventilation holes (typically 2" in diameter in my region, with 3 holes per 24" o/c spacing) if desired:

Obviously this is not a hot item since no one has bugged me about it but I have not forgotten it, just put it aside up until now.

With raised heels this may become a bit more complicated requiring more options, (ie. a V-cut instead of the typical bird holes). More input from builders would be useful in this regard.

With the angled heel blocking an overhang must be present for this to work so the code will revert to a vertical heel block when not enough overhang is present.

medeek

@Juju

I like what you have proposed here. What I will do is add a new section in the global settings called "Ceilings" that enables one to enable a gypsum wall board layer and/or battens. The thickness and sizes can also be set here as well (which become the default values) but the pop-up menu for ceiling - advanced options will allow for manual entry of each item and will also override the default values with the last values selected.

If its not too much I will probably also specify two additional layers:

ceiling_gypsum or ceiling_sheathing?
ceiling_batten

What is the typical size for ceiling battens in your locale? and the o/c spacing?

Also with a roof plane/extrusion, I see the necessity with having this addition when one uses battens but what about when there is already a sheathing layer on the roof and no battens?

medeek

I didn't particularly like the shade of the plywood material that is standard with SketchUp, so I went looking for a better texture. I think I've found one that I like but would be happy to entertain others if someone has a certain plywood material texture that they like.

medeek

I've got the plywood material working quite well in the plugin, and the ability to toggle between it and OSB in the global settings. I have a few more other features and edits and then maybe I will role a revision tomorrow or Sunday.

I actually like the plywood look much better than the OSB.

medeek

OSB or Plywood will now be an option for the floor sheathing:

The new sheathing tab in the global settings:

As time goes on I will probably add in more options for wall cladding and interior wall cladding (ie. gypsum) as well as the ceiling logic I discussed in a previous post.

I'm now working on the gable end wall sheathing option and the roof cladding option.

There are also two new options in the "General" tab which allow one to toggle the default setting for gable end trusses and advanced options (roof, floor etc...).

medeek

Version 1.8.0- 01.22.2017

Enabled roof cladding for common trusses.
Added nine "IKO Cambridge" architectural shingle colors into the roof cladding material library.
Added "plywood" material for roof and floor sheathing.
Added a "Sheathing" tab into the global settings.
Added entries in the "General" tab of the global settings to toggle default settings for gable end trusses and advanced options.

View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=408cd4f0-26b0-416f-bcd0-c14e5565c97a

Initially I was just going to texture the exterior face of the sheathing for the roof cladding but then I realized that there may be cases where there is roof cladding but not sheathing or vice versa. In the end I went with a separate layer, material and extrusion for the roof cladding, this allows one to get more granular with the structure and in my mind closer to reality.

medeek

Trying to find a good wood shake or shingle roof texture, this one is pretty good except for a bit of banding:

Slipped in a wood shingle roof texture and a few metal ones in to Version 1.8.0.

I set the exposure of the wood shingles at 5-1/2", however it does look a little small to me, maybe 7-1/4" would be better?

medeek

When you first install the plugin the layers, materials and connector plates are disabled or turned off by default, maybe it would be better that they all be turned on. Either way all of these items can now be customized in the global settings.

medeek

I am wondering why SketchUp doesn't automatically ship with more high quality textures? This seems like a no-brainer.

juju

@medeek said:

I am wondering why SketchUp doesn't automatically ship with more high quality textures? This seems like a no-brainer.

Yup, you know it. I recently experienced a situation where people are starting to create rendering engine textures using 4K and higher images, this was over at Indigo Renderer. Crazy stuff but probably in the not-so-distant future normal.