Mon$anto vs. Mother Earth
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Oli,
I find your position sensible.
I think if you've been following the thread that it is obvious that my objection is now and will remain to be against conclusions drawn based on certain criteria.
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Watched the video Pete posted. Some food for thought .... pun intended!
I just hope that whatever Big M does can be reversed but have grave doubts about this when reading they regard transgenic contamination as 'Adventitious Presence is Part of the Natural Order'!
I had to laugh when I saw that G Bush Snr was involved in the early days stating, 'Call me, we are in the dereg business ..... haha'. Yeah, he and his ilk made a great job of deregulation in the finance sector, we are currently paying the high price for his 'dereging'
In the video, I don't know why the French guys are worried about spraying the snails! Then again, maybe French snails have more sense than to eat Roundup sprayed greens!
Boy! that John Hoffman, Vice President of the American Soybean Association, has a fantastic built in (mouth) moisture detector! He can get accuracy down to .5% with his mouth! If he could bottle that skill and sell it, he could pack up bean growing!
I should have guessed an Irish name would 'crop up' somewhere. I'd suggest not hiring Mary Murphy for PR
'Dirty Tricks' ...... Stupid Tricks, yes!Two phrases that caught my attention! 'The Green Desert' and 'Food Sovereignty'. The first looks to be the way we are heading and the second is what we are loosing!
I'm now wondering should the UN have ultimate global control over GMO direction / policy as its becoming a huge issue.
When one really thinks hard about it! What's wrong with weeds? They are natural and have their uses!
Your Weedy Lawn Is A Good Thing
http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/lawn-care/lgen/your-weedy-lawns-is-a-good-thing.htmAre Weeds Bad to the Bone?
http://scarab.msu.montana.edu/CropWeedSearch/Docs/AreWeedsBadToTheBone.htmMeet the weeds that Monsanto can't beat
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/dec/21/weeds-monsato-cant-beatThe bottom line in this last article is,
'In lieu of crop rotation and biodiversity (the non-toxic way to control weeds), the MSU extension service promotes what the article calls a "diversified herbicide program". And thus we get a clear look at why, since the introduction of Roundup Ready seeds in the 1990s, herbicide use has spiked.'
Farmers have discovered many centuries ago, the best, safest and sustainable ways to work with Mother Nature! I hope to see these 'best practices' possibly streamlined if need be and brought to higher levels of efficiency BUT not leveraged beyond what nature is able to tolerate or willing to give as she will strike back hard if abused and she appears to be doing so in the herbicide race! But as long as Big M is making a buck, that is all that matters for many in high places!
Remember what happened with the 'Arms Race'! Sense prevailed in the end but we still live with its dangerous legacy!
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Well at least you still have plenty of fertilizer.
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@mics_54 said:
The doctor presenting this science isn't 11 and the reading may be too long and boring but if you DO entertain educated opinions you might find it interesting.
that's not science per se.. it's a blogger that spends the first part of the post making fun of other bloggers.. the next part is him pointing out errors in other scientists methods (with some good points.. but if this were science worth arguing over, i'd more expect for him to give us the results using his proposed methods of testing- which, i assume, hasn't happened)
then he closes with@unknownuser said:
There might be valid reasons to be wary of the proliferation of GMO-based foods, such as concern over the control that large multinational corporations like Monsanto might exercise over the food supply
does the thread get any better after page 1 or is it just more of this crap? not sure if i care to read the rest
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Well!!! Pen cleared up all my now obvious misconceptions.I'd say the Organicsons are growing more than tomatoes!
Glad I stayed watching until Penn got around to Ms Taste, very non organic indeed but in an eye catching way .... I mean she could easily take your eye out
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@mics_54 said:
Well hell if Jeff doesn't like the thread...I QUIT!
(not really)
it's not that i don't like it.. just that it's a sub-arguement of a bigger problem.. it always comes back to money and/or the monetary system.
deal with that properly and all these other problems go away.. without even arguing about them
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@unknownuser said:
it's not that i don't like it.. just that it's a sub-arguement of a bigger problem.. it always comes back to money and/or the monetary system.
deal with that properly and all these other problems go away.. without even arguing about them
+1 Well said. Money and greed.
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I agree... those organic growers are as greedy as any mega corporation!... 1/3 of the Earth's population will starve if we're left to organic agriculture.
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@mics_54 said:
I agree... those organic growers are as greedy as any mega corporation!... 1/3 of the Earth's population will starve if we're left to organic agriculture.
Mmmmmm, I know some local organic growers that are far from being greedy people. I also imagine that not all GMO growers are greedy people!
Its when BIG BUCKS get into the equation that things change for the worse.
... and this leads on to the other elephant in the room. The Earth's resources are finite and that includes food production at a sustainable level so the increasing world population had better 'get on the pill!' ...... fast!
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Mayor, you must of missed the part of the video that indicated that the major shareholders in organic growing are major corporations now.
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@mics_54 said:
Mayor, you must of missed the part of the video that indicated that the major shareholders in organic growing are major corporations now.
No, I didn't miss it.
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This app might help with the supermarket shopping
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/05/14/new-app-lets-you-boycott-koch-brothers-monsanto-and-more-by-scanning-your-shopping-cart/ -
@holmes1977 said:
This app might help with the supermarket shopping
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/05/14/new-app-lets-you-boycott-koch-brothers-monsanto-and-more-by-scanning-your-shopping-cart/Cool, and shared on FaceBook
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By the way Mike I don't think those breasts were organically grown
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@mics_54 said:
Mayor, you must of missed the part of the video that indicated that the major shareholders in organic growing are major corporations now.
it's getting pretty obvious by now that the term 'organic food', at least in the u.s, has become more of a marketing term.. the big box grocery stores are plastered with organic this and organic that but, like you said @mic, it's the major corporations owning that now.. the same 5 huge corporations that stock your entire grocery store are now labeling their crap organic and people are paying more and feeling good about it.. as if they're doing good for them and the earth
regardless, that^ is more of a rant.. more to the point is that i don't care what it's being called.. most (and i'd seriously guess around 98% u.s) do not know where their food is coming from.. we don't have much of a clue about what exactly it is we're eating or where it's coming from. it's nuts
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This app might help with the supermarket shopping
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconno ... ping-cart/leftist baloney
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@mics_54 said:
leftist baloney
i wish we could ditch this whole republican vs. democrat thing.
it just feels like (at least in the u.s) that's part of the scam.. look, 1/2 the population is republican and 1/2 is democrat.. if you think about it, there's really not much ideological difference at all between the two parties. the key differences are things that, in the big picture, have nothing to do with anything.. religion, abortion, gay people, etc..
and those politicians show us how to fight via their 'debates' then, for the next four years, we sit around and argue about this stupid sh*t on the internet.. meanwhile, it's business as usual for them.
the reality seems that our arguments, at least as i see it, would be entirely more effective if the topic was named then everybody simply put democrat or republican as their response.. because it's a hell of a lot easier to do that than to spend the next 50 pages insulting each other back and forth in order to, in the end, say the same thing- "i'm republican/democrat and i think the same thing that the leader republican/democrat is telling me to think" -
it's incredibly similar to, say, the NFL.. we pick our team then defend them to no end.. we are fans and do as fans do.. and when our team wins the super bowl, it's awesome.. and if they lose, then hey - always next year
..with the political parties, they make sure it's always flipping between the two sides.. democrat this term- republican the next.. and on and on.
and there's really only one goal-- get that freaking ball into the end zone
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