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    • Dan RathbunD Offline
      Dan Rathbun
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      @jim said:

      The real problem might not be rescuing Exception, but rather mishandling or throwing away the Exception once caught.

      I think I'd have to agree (and I should admit I also tend "overcatch" exceptions myself.)

      @unknownuser said:

      (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10048173/why-is-it-bad-style-to-rescue-exception-e-in-ruby)":1dv37f3l]... (write details to the log), then diagnose logs and fix code.

      Swallowing exceptions is bad, don't do this.

      How can anyone argue with that advice?

      We cannot fix errors, whether in the development cycle or after deployment, if we don't know about them and their details.

      Logging is always a "best practice".

      However, how can we ALL (SketchUp plugin authors and non-programmer users,) share a logging system that works well in an embedded Ruby environment?
      But...

      1. Does not force anyone to install or adopt a certain author's libraries (that do other things not related to debugging, etc.)
      2. Are easy enough to use, that a non-programming user can be told to push a button, check a list, and copy and paste any error that comes from a specific plugin. An easy feedback workflow.

      I have some ideas.. did some tests, but have not had time to go further with this.
      Sheesh.. I haven't even had time to try out the OEM Developer Tools yet!

      I'm not here much anymore.

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      • Dan RathbunD Offline
        Dan Rathbun
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        After reading:
        @jim said:

        [1] why-is-it-bad-style-to-rescue-exception-e-in-ruby

        ... I think I must agree with Andrew Marshall regarding SignalException, Interrupt and SyntaxError.

        I think I will try from now on, to only trap StandardError subclasses (unless I KNOW any of the others could occur, in my own code.).

        So in the VisTools updates I am working on, I will need to change all the rescue clauses.
        Then I'll just have to hope that if some other plugin uses observers that are triggered by the VisTools commands, that the author of those plugins properly trap whatever possible exceptions that their code causes.

        I'm not here much anymore.

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        • Dan RathbunD Offline
          Dan Rathbun
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          @dan rathbun said:

          So in the VisTools updates I am working on, I will need to change all the rescue clauses ...

          Well I did make these changes in the v1.3.0 release.

          All the rescue clauses look similar to this now:

          rescue => e
            #
            unless $VERBOSE.nil? # not in silent mode
              puts("\nVisTools; Error encountered in 'isolate_entities' ; Aborting Model Operation.")
              puts("Error; #<#{e.class.name}; #{e.message}>") if @@debug
              puts(e.backtrace) if @@debug && $VERBOSE
              puts()
            end
            Sketchup.active_model.abort_operation
            raise
            #
          end
          

          I realized in this case, what I primarily wanted to do in the rescue clause, was abort the operation.

          So after doing that, I just re-raise the exception, so any debugger or development toolkit can see it.

          πŸ’­

          I'm not here much anymore.

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          • thomthomT Offline
            thomthom
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            @dan rathbun said:

            So after doing that, I just re-raise the exception, so any debugger or development toolkit can see it.

            I find that pattern useful myself.

            Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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            • Dan RathbunD Offline
              Dan Rathbun
              last edited by

              @thomthom said:

              @dan rathbun said:

              So after doing that, I just re-raise the exception, so any debugger or development toolkit can see it.

              I find that pattern useful myself.

              Yes, when we stop, and think a bit,... we should realize that exceptions may not be coming from OUR code, but from other author's code using observers, that may be triggered by our code.

              If we swallow these exceptions at OUR point in the callstack, it could lead to a very frustrating debugging session.

              I did test a few of the StandardError subclases (using my Error raising scriptlets for testing,) and it seems that SketchUp protectively wraps API calls.

              I'm not here much anymore.

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              • J Offline
                Jim
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                @dan rathbun said:

                If we swallow these exceptions at OUR point in the callstack, it could lead to a very frustrating debugging session.

                I suspect this is currently happening and is what prompted the original topic. This and weird things like:

                2012-12-01_182255.png

                ❓

                Hi

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                • Dan RathbunD Offline
                  Dan Rathbun
                  last edited by

                  @jim said:

                  ... and weird things like:

                  Looks like Fredo could be overriding Enumerable.each_with_index() or the inherited method in the IO class (or it's subclass File) ??

                  I'm not here much anymore.

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                  • thomthomT Offline
                    thomthom
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                    Is it not FredoPaint? It uses observers to hook into material events.

                    Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                    List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                    • fredo6F Offline
                      fredo6
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                      @dan rathbun said:

                      @jim said:

                      ... and weird things like:

                      Looks like Fredo could be overriding Enumerable.each_with_index() or the inherited method in the IO class (or it's subclass File) ??

                      Dan,

                      My scripts do not subclass any standard Ruby class.
                      I think the errors shown in Lib6Traductor.rb comes from the fact that in my utilities to convert strings to length, I use a technique to deliberately provoke an error within a begin / rescue clause in order to find out which locale convention Sketchup is configured for length parsing (basically by testing if "2.3".to_l is valid versus "2,3".to_l).

                      Fredo

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                      • Dan RathbunD Offline
                        Dan Rathbun
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                        @unknownuser said:

                        My scripts do not subclass any standard Ruby class.

                        It is OK to subclass standard Ruby classes, within your own modules, but not allowed to change standard classes for only your use.

                        @unknownuser said:

                        I think the errors ... comes from the fact that ... I use a technique to deliberately provoke an error within a begin / rescue clause in order to find out which locale convention Sketchup is configured ...

                        OK ... yes I had also done that in several plugins.. and the most recent was VisTools < v1.3.0, so up untilv1.2.1 I was doing this:

                        OLD WAY:

                        #{ Load localized string hashes from file;
                        @@lang = Sketchup.get_locale()[0,2] unless defined?(@@lang)
                        begin
                          if @@lang == 'en'
                            raise(LoadError,"English")
                          else
                            load(File.join(BASEPATH,"VisTools_"<<@@lang<<".rb"))
                          end
                        rescue LoadError => e
                          if e.message != 'English' && !$VERBOSE.nil?
                            puts()
                            puts('NOTICE; Could not find a "VisTools_'<<@@lang<<'.rb" file to load.')
                            puts('Using English text for VisTools plugin UI.')
                            puts()
                          end
                          @@menutext = Hash[
                            ;plugin_name,      "VisTools",
                            #
                            ;hide_layers,      "Hide Layers",
                            ;isolate_layers,   "Isolate Layers",
                            ;hide_entities,    "Hide Entities",
                            ;isolate_entities, "Isolate Entities",
                            ;freeze_entities,  "Freeze Groups/Components",
                            ;unfreeze_all,     "Unfreeze All",
                            ;show_all,         "Show All",
                            #
                            ;debug_mode, "Debug Mode"
                          ]
                          @@tooltips = Hash[
                            ;hide_layers,      "Hide selected layers",
                            ;isolate_layers,   "Isolate selected layers",
                            ;hide_entities,    "Hide selected entities",
                            ;isolate_entities, "Isolate selected entities",
                            ;freeze_entities,  "Freeze groups and components",
                            ;unfreeze_all,     "Unfreeze all",
                            ;show_all,         "Show all layers and entities"
                          ]
                        end #}
                        
                        

                        THEN ... I read the Ruby Style Guide and realized that for various reasons ... using an exception as a conditional / branching construct is VERY BAD CODING STYLE and confusing to anyone reading or debugging the code!

                        So I revised that code block, so it now looks like this in v1.3.0+:

                        #{ String hashes;
                        @@lang = Sketchup.get_locale()[0,2] unless defined?(@@lang)
                        unless @@lang == 'en'
                          # Load localized string hashes from file;
                          begin
                            load(File.join(BASEPATH,"VisTools_"<<@@lang<<".rb"))
                          rescue LoadError => e
                            unless $VERBOSE.nil?
                              puts()
                              puts('NOTICE; Could not find a "VisTools_'<<@@lang<<'.rb" file to load.')
                              puts('Using English text for VisTools plugin UI.')
                              puts()
                            end
                            @@lang == 'en' # just use English
                          end
                        end # load attempt
                        #
                        if @@lang == 'en'
                          @@menutext = Hash[
                            ;plugin_name,      "VisTools",
                            #
                            ;hide_layers,      "Hide Layers",
                            ;isolate_layers,   "Isolate Layers",
                            ;hide_entities,    "Hide Entities",
                            ;isolate_entities, "Isolate Entities",
                            ;freeze_entities,  "Freeze Groups/Components",
                            ;unfreeze_all,     "Unfreeze All",
                            ;show_all,         "Show All",
                            #
                            ;debug_mode, "Debug Mode"
                          ]
                          @@tooltips = Hash[
                            ;hide_layers,      "Hide selected layers",
                            ;isolate_layers,   "Isolate selected layers",
                            ;hide_entities,    "Hide selected entities",
                            ;isolate_entities, "Isolate selected entities",
                            ;freeze_entities,  "Freeze groups and components",
                            ;unfreeze_all,     "Unfreeze all",
                            ;show_all,         "Show all layers and entities"
                          ]
                        end #}
                        
                        

                        It should work the same, but not misuse (ie, raise any unneeded) exceptions.

                        However, a chinese user has just posted an error where it is not working quite correct yet.
                        English should be used, but the user is getting a LoadError... (see the error post).

                        πŸ’­

                        I'm not here much anymore.

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                        • fredo6F Offline
                          fredo6
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                          Dan,

                          Thanks for your comments

                          1. I mean my scripts do not alter in anyway the standard Ruby classes and the Sketchup classes too.

                          2. The dot / comma interpretation in Sketchup based on the locale was beyond my understanding and knowledge, so I used this quick way to check whether dot or comma is the decimal separator. I can imagine there will be an API for that in future SU versions.

                          Fredo

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                          • thomthomT Offline
                            thomthom
                            last edited by

                            @unknownuser said:

                            1. The dot / comma interpretation in Sketchup based on the locale was beyond my understanding and knowledge, so I used this quick way to check whether dot or comma is the decimal separator. I can imagine there will be an API for that in future SU versions.

                            I hope so. I've yet to find another way to "detect" the decimal point within SU's Ruby API.

                            Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                            • Dan RathbunD Offline
                              Dan Rathbun
                              last edited by

                              OK I understand ...

                              Visual Basic:

                              CultureInfo.CurrentCulture.NumberFormat.NumberDecimalSeparator
                              

                              I'm not here much anymore.

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