Is this guy serious?!
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@o2bwln said:
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For the record, I had a friend who was one of the soldiers killed so I take it personally when a liar like you uses this type of low-down-dirty lie to further your agenda. Try doing a little research before you post these types of stupid blurbs, I thought you were smarter that this.I think most people know that general service weapons on any domestic army camp are without a breach block, but MP'S DO carry active, charged weapons.
I find it very strange that you would point out your right to subjectivity in this matter ignoring the many who find the death of 20 grade one children and their teachers repugnant and vile.
But, it seems just about everyone else on this thread at least tries to be objective offering arguments and views based on logic.I do not think any posts on this site that I have noticed have stooped to call someone a liar, especially for no good reason, that I can see.
"we need more guns to save us from guns".............The relevance of that stupid, ill conceived concept easily resonates with me.
Lets not bring logic and rational argument into this though
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There is no argument for anybody to own a gun. We've done fine for millions of years without them.
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@Oli
Gunchester?
@unknownuser said:
Had a few of us been available with guns at the Newtown school, most of the victims might still be alive.
This man should be a poet...
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Mental health is a topic that could be pushed around the barn for a long time with no particular result. The majority of opinions seem to come the the mad book of statistics and we do seem to like our statistics.
The rational for carrying ANY kind of weapon has been torn to shreds on many occasions and STILL folk spout about a need and rights, the rights of the victims get mislaid. I do not know what problems that guy or any of those who use guns to thrash out a difference or supposed injustice have but if we were to get rid of the so called defensive weapons I for one would feel safer. Can it be done though, even with the NRA apparently being willing to agree concessions.
As for weapons on military bases, well that is easy. Most of the time soldiers do not carry weapons, the weapons are stored in the armoury, a very well protected site that would be impossible for the average soldier to break into. As for the block being absent, well that's a new one on me as we used to store weapons complete and ready to go for ranges etc.
As far as folk getting argumentative, well not a problem but I think we all could do with setting an example and cutting it back a notch or two. The debate needs to be a thorough one for proper resolution and I think it will only get hotter. Please think it through when contemplating flaming folk? Ta.
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"As for weapons on military bases, well that is easy. Most of the time soldiers do not carry weapons, the weapons are stored in the armoury, a very well protected site that would be impossible for the average soldier to break into. As for the block being absent, well that's a new one on me as we used to store weapons complete and ready to go for ranges etc"
Just curious, my experience was not with the US military but with the Australian, New Zealand, Brit's Etc, so I incorrectly made an assumption. But I am curious, In most domestic training environment we do have our weapons in our personal lockers with the breach block held in the armory so we can easily access the weapons for parade,training, cleaning, handling etc.
What state of readiness are your weapons in for these purposes? (breach block deficient)?
I am assuming that this difference is because unlike the US, components to activate such weapons are available trough civilian sources unlike most other advanced Nations. I am not making any particular point here just curious.[/size] -
guns are just way too powerful to be so accessible during impulsive acting situations.
i assume (hope?) that with most gun murders, the murderer feels genuine remorse afterwards and wish they didn't do it.. (-or- most murderers aren't psychopaths)
give those people tasers instead
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Hi Steve,
"Just curious, my experience was not with the US military but with the Australian, New Zealand, Brit's Etc, so I incorrectly made an assumption. But I am curious, In most domestic training environment we do have our weapons in our personal lockers with the breach block held in the armory so we can easily access the weapons for parade,training, cleaning, handling etc.
What state of readiness are your weapons in for these purposes? (breach block deficient)?
I am assuming that this difference is because unlike the US, components to activate such weapons are available trough civilian sources unlike most other advanced Nations. I am not making any particular point here just curious.[/size]"I am not american, my experience is from the british army as a regular and a volunteer from civvy street for the first gulf outing. No situations existed where uk military personel had weapons in their possesion outside of deployment or specific need like ranges for qualification etc and this has not changed. Even when deployed to the gulf we had our personal weapons removed and held in an armoury, we would only have held them if we were going into imminent contact or an alert was announced.
The same point still applies, too many people have access to weapons of any kind and the escalation of an argument or greivance is too easy. I wonder how many of these killers would have done anything at all if they had to stand up and use their (bloody) fists. In my humble opinion, mass murder is the first point of call for the cowards among us.
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I'm trying to remember 25 years back when I served my conscription with the SADF (South African defense force), unfortunately we spent very little time on a regular base as we were deployed to Angola very fast, almost like a production line, however I do remember on our border base we were locked and loaded (R4 rifle with full magazine, nothing in chamber and safety on) for obvious reasons. I remember coming to a base in our capital Pretoria for a couple of weeks before my service ended and having a 9mm side arm at all times on and off base (required as an officer), but cannot remember if it had the magazine in or not.
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@ccbiggs said:
@solo said:
Can you even give me one reason why a citizens should need armor piercing rounds, extended clips and assault rifles?
Sorry Solo, But my entire family and my reason for owning plenty of all of the above is for when the Govt comes to try and take our guns.
I was born and raised in the country and have grown up with and around all types of rifles, pistols, shotguns. They are in my blood and will have to be pulled from cold dead hands.
Just saying.
I wish there were better ways to keep the wrong people from getting any gun though.
Call me loony, call me whatever ya want but I do not trust my President or any of the rest of my Govt.I have heard this from many folks on Face book, I have also noticed that they are all pretty much of the same political persuasion (now I'm not assuming you to be a tea party member)
It's sad however when one does not trust a President elected by the majority of citizens of the country, but that's another debate for another day.You still never answered why the need for assault rifles and armor piercing rounds, or is it to stage a coup as you hint towards?
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@solo said:
Can you even give me one reason why a citizens should need armor piercing rounds, extended clips and assault rifles?
Sorry Solo, But my entire family and my reason for owning plenty of all of the above is for when the Govt comes to try and take our guns.
I was born and raised in the country and have grown up with and around all types of rifles, pistols, shotguns. They are in my blood and will have to be pulled from cold dead hands.
Just saying.
I wish there were better ways to keep the wrong people from getting any gun though.
Call me loony, call me whatever ya want but I do not trust my President or any of the rest of my Govt.
Not trying to further a pissing contest. I just want to properly get my point of view across.
I dont think they should be banning anything or trying to take anything. They need to be making sure people who should not own any kind of weapon can not get them. I do not know how it should be done.
For the americans here honestly tell me you think this country is heading in the right direction, and you trust the Govt we have.
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I added a little more to my previous post.
"You still never answered why the need for assault rifles and armor piercing rounds, or is it to stage a coup as you hint towards?"
There is no hint about it, they start going door to door trying to take guns. They will have to kill me and my entire family more than half the state of PA and a lot of people all over the rest of the country to do it.
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@ccbiggs said:
I added a little more to my previous post.
"You still never answered why the need for assault rifles and armor piercing rounds, or is it to stage a coup as you hint towards?"
There is no hint about it, they start going door to door trying to take guns. They will have to kill me and my entire family more than half the state of PA and a lot of people all over the rest of the country to do it.
I have worked hard my whole life for everything I have. I am responsible and will be damned if they are going to take any of my guns of any make or model.Just curious, where did you get the idea that the government will come for your guns? I heard Rush Limbaugh mention this but nowhere else have I heard this, and we all know he is a raving lunatic. If they do ban assault rifles you will be grandfathered in and may even get an offer to sell back your military grade weapons, but it wont be compulsory and that's if there even is any action which I doubt. So back to the question you are dodging.... why do you need an assault rifle?
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@solo said:
Just curious, where did you get the idea that the government will come for your guns? I heard Rush Limbaugh mention this but nowhere else have I heard this, and we all know he is a raving lunatic. If they do ban assault rifles you will be grandfathered in and may even get an offer to sell back your military grade weapons, but it wont be compulsory and that's if there even is any action which I doubt. So back to the question you are dodging.... why do you need an assault rifle?
I do not know where the idea came from, It is just the trust thing. I do think Obama, Hillary and a lot of the rest of them would love to have themselves a gun grab.
I am not dodging your question. I do not need an assault rifle. Yet. But I do enjoy shooting them at targets, at Ice blocks, at tannerite, at groundhogs in our fields who like to dig holes for the horses to break a leg in, at coyotes who like to kill all the baby deer, baby bunnies, turkeys, grouse and ring neck pheasants. Because I am an american and I am free and responsible have worked my ass off my entire life, because I paid for them they are mine and they are a good tool for those who are responsible enough to own one or many. And because if the president and the rest of his cronies decide to come and take an M1A1, M16, deer rifle, shotgun, pistol or pellet gun, they would also be my first choice to hopefully let them know they should leave the property. -
These sorts of discussions are best left on other forums, ones related to guns or politics rather than 3D software.
The problem with discussing it here is someone might be tempted to say things like "you are a madman and shouldn't be allowed to own a slingshot let alone a gun" and that would only upset you and you would naturally be compelled to come back with some comment like "it's liberals like you we need our guns to defend against" and then the whole thing will just escalate from there.
And when things escalate people tend to grab the most offensive weapon they have to hand and use it, I have a rather nasty salami and am prepared to wield it.
Please talk about guns, politics and religion in an appropriate place.
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@ccbiggs said:
I dont think they should be banning anything or trying to take anything. They need to be making sure people who should not own any kind of weapon can not get them.
...Which in my opinion in any member of the public in a residential area - have you seen how dangerous the average person is just when trying to walk and look at a phone, never mind handling a weapon.
Also do you really think police and the military would stand a chance if the population decided to ignore their authority even without guns?.
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@rodentpete said:
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...Which in my opinion in any member of the public in a residential area - have you seen how dangerous the average person is just when trying to walk and look at a phone, never mind handling a weapon.Also do you really think police and the military would stand a chance if the population decided to ignore their authority even without guns?.
You are probably absolutely right about your first point. There is a lot of city folks who should not drive a car or ride a bike let alone own a gun, if they are crazy or not. But most of them do not go in schools and start killing. And I like to think most people who know nothing about guns usually just stay away from them.
I do not know about your second point, I would say it depends on how big of guns they bring and how many there are.
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I hope I am not coming off like a mad man. Liberal, Dem, Repub, Teabag, means nothing to me. I vote for the one I hope will do the better job. Just trying to say that they are all a tool for those who are responsible. And I wish there was a better way to make sure the crazy people in the world could not get there hand on any kind of weapon. And that I dont think banning ammo, clips, or rifles, shotguns, pistol of any kind is the way to go about it. But I suppose it would not matter much to me and mine since our safes are pretty well stocked.
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@ccbiggs said:
I wish there were better ways to keep the wrong people from getting any gun though.
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They need to be making sure people who should not own any kind of weapon can not get them. I do not know how it should be done.
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And it is sad stupid people do the stupid shit they do.but, under the right circumstances, you yourself might be a "wrong person to have a gun or a sad stupid person doing stupid shit"
lets say you walk in on your wife in bed with another man.. (and hey, i'm saying 'you' in general… I'm not trying to get personal here)
the chance of those two people being killed is HUGE compared to the same situation happening with no guns on premises…people snap.. we all do it.. no one is immune to it… and mixing guns into that equation is a recipe for disaster
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i could be an evil SOB with no guns
you could be a nice guy with gunswho is more likely to shoot someone in their lifetime?
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