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@numerobis said:
sorry, i don't know what you want to say concerning the cpu... the 3770K runs 100MHz faster but the real advantage is that it has an unlocked multiplier so you can easily overclock it. If you don't need this, you can go with the non-K-version. That was all i wanted to say.
I don't know the MSI board, but i don't think it is bad. When you for reviews on google there is one that says it has a bed performance, but i don't know nore about it.
Like i said above, ASRock normally makes very good and cheap boards, so i would buy the ASRock Z77 Pro3. You can find some reviews:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1998/15/
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4852/asrock_z77_pro3_intel_z77_motherboard_review/index12.htmlI have look around on another website and switch to that board you recomend and now i think to buy this:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM Swedish SP1 819:-
Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Socket 1155 2 439:- (+240 for 17-3770K)
Intel 330 Series 180GB SSD R:500/W:450 2.5" SATA-3 949:-
ASRock Z77 PRO3 Intel Z77 4xDDR3 CrossFireX Socket 1155 ATX 829:-
OCZ MODXSTREAM PRO 600 WATT PSU 640:-
CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 VALUE SELECT PC10666 1333MHZ (2X8GB) 499:-
ASUS DRW-24B5ST DVD±R/RW/RAM DL 24X SATA BLACK 169:-
COOLER MASTER MIDITOWER ELITE 310 ATX BLACK/ORANGE 276:-
100:- discount
Total 6 520:- = 755 euro
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I paid about 700 euros only for CPU(i7 3770k) MOBO(Asrock Z77 extreme4) and RAM(Crosair vengeance2x8gb) .. You have some nice prices over there !!
I have never seen a greater consumption than 6 gb of ram ,but now depends what programs you will be using(better have more than missing it-I can have up to 32gb but I will have to change my cpu cooler-be aware of the size of the cooler , the Ram radiators can hit it).
Now I want to buy a Nvidia gtx 660or 670(200 or 400euros) video card and a good PSU .
If the rendering programs relay on CPU it does a great job running all the cores if it uses the video card then you need a good one .
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Here's a happy story.
Purchased this system about 3 months ago and couldn't be happier with its performance!
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Nice rig Ozzie.
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I have change the processor to intel core i7 3770K(can't find the i7 3930)
When it comes to PSU I get a tip to look after good "80 Plus certified" and then i change it to CORSAIR CX 500W BRONZE ATX12V 2.3 POWER SUPPLY(is 500W enough?)Dustin
Dustin, Dustinhome
(www.dustinhome.se)
This would be 6 706:- = 768 euro
Would it be a big different if a choose 1600 MHz insted of 1333 MHz?
Can get CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 XMS3 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X8GB) for 639:- (140:- more)
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@vigge50 said:
Will this computer be good to rendering in sketchup with vray?
I would say it is the question how you define "good"...
In my opinion this is the best you can get FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
It will be a good machine but compared to more expensive workstations it will be a midrange system.
You get what you pay for...
But it will be faster than the two HP systems from the beginning.You didn't reply to my question, if overclocking is an option for you. This would be a solution to get ~20-30% (4,2-4,7GHz depending on the chip and the cooling) more power for almost the same money - but you would need to buy a 3770K and change some settings in the BIOS (UEFI). But you should know what you're doing...
The next higher step would be an i7 3930K, a 6-core and roughly 30% faster than the 3770K.
But it could be overclocked to almost the same speed like the 3770K. This would be ~300€ more expensive.Above this there are Dual CPU systems with 6 or 8 cores = 12 or 16 cores... but these are in a different price range.
Concerning your selected components...
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the OCZ PSU should be fine, but it has two separated 12v rails with 25A each and 504W=42A combined. I'm not sure how the connectors are divided to the two rails and if you could get problems with a video card that needs ~30A. I can't answer this.
I would buy a single rail PSU with combined amperage of ~50A. But maybe this is no problem at all. -
I wouldn't buy Windows HOME PREMIUM but Professional because it comes with better networking functions (Remote Desktop Host), but maybe you don't need this and Home is enough for you.
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Where do you plan to store your data? Server? External HDD? Your last configs have no HDD.
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The other components should be ok. I posted my opinions above... (cooler, SSD, etc.)
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The CX500 has a single rail design with 38A combined. It is possible, that 500W and 38A will be enough, but i can't guarantee. This depends on the video card i would say.
Like i wrote before i would take one with at least ~50A combined on the +12V rail.
Something like this:
http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010586850/corsair-tx-650w-v2-natdel-atx12v-2-3-eps12v/#intcmp=searchProvider_dacsa (52A combined)
http://www.corsair.com/en/media/cms/manual/TX-V2_manual.pdf
The 650HX and the 500CX seem to be build by Channel Well. http://www.tomshardware.de/Netzteil-OEM-Hersteller,testberichte-240604-5.html
I don't know this manufacturer, but from the critics on the net it should be a good one.or this one
http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010628023/seasonic-s12-ii-620w-psu/#intcmp=searchProvider_dacsa (48A combined)
http://www.seasonic.com/pdf/datasheet/NEW/Retail/S12II%20Bronze.pdfI don't know how silent the corsair fan is, i have only saesonic PSUs. But i think it should be ok.
But the fan is one more point for me to take a slightly bigger PSU. Since they are usually controlled by the workload a 600W PSU "could" (!) be more quiet at the same power level than a 500W PSU.But this is MY opinion and i might be wrong! I'm no PSU expert!
I would buy 1600MHz RAM with CL10 - i don't know why they are so much more expensive in this shop. Here the difference between 1333 CL9 and 1600 CL10 is only ~5€.
But like i wrote above...@numerobis said:
- 1600MHz RAM would be only slightly better (but only maybe 2%) but should be almost in the same price range.
@vigge50 said:
I have change the processor to intel core i7 3770K(can't find the i7 3930)
Dustin
Dustin, Dustinhome
(www.dustinhome.se)
quite expensive... -
I found that proccesor later, was looking at 1155 sockets.
When i look at http://www.enermax.outervision.com/index.jsp and fill in all the information i know it says that i need a PSU on 394 W. I now that you need to have some margin but i think 650W is littel overkill.
I found a 16 gig ram for 589:- so i take that insted, not any big different.
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As Numerobis said, you need to take the video card into account, too. Some mid-to-high range cards can be rather power demanding.
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@gaieus said:
As Numerobis said, you need to take the video card into account, too. Some mid-to-high range cards can be rather power demanding.
I now that some graphic card need much power but as i say, i don't going to buy any graphic card, the intel hd graphic 4000 that is in the intel core i7 proseccor is enough for me.
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All right, sorry, I must have overlooked that. Note however that without a dedicated video card, SU may be sluggish (although I have heard of some later integrated chipsets that they can run at least without issues even if not at full power).
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I don't know if you are actually reading what i am typing here... but i will try it again.
- wattage is not everything - you need enough ampere
- efficiency is normally best at 50-60% load
- noise
And i think you should get a video card if you want to use that machine for modeling and graphic stuff...
You can compare the performance of the HD4000 embeded graphics only with the lowest end video cards on the market, and even then it is slower:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_3770K_Ivy_Bridge_GPU/23.htmland now look how the GT430, GT440 or HD6670 perform compared to a good midrange card like the GTX560TI:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/19-Tom-s-Hardware-Index-B-Performance,2976.html
not really comparable...But you can try it and plug in a card later.
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@numerobis said:
...But you can try it and plug in a card later.
Indeed - and to do so, you may want to prepare with the PSU already enough to support it (so that you need not change that as well later).
I would really not start saving on that piece.
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Okey, after your tip I have change it to this:
ASRock Z77 PRO3 Intel Z77 4xDDR3 CrossFireX Socket 1155 ATX 825:-
Intel 330 Series 180GB SSD R:500/W:450 2.5" SATA-3 989:-
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM Swedish SP1 819:-
SEASONIC S12 II 620W PSU 890:-
GIGABYTE GEFORCE GT 430 2GB PCI-E VGA/DVI/HDMI 566:-
INTEL CORE I7 3770K 3.5GHZ 8MB S-1155 IVY 2 590:-
COOLER MASTER MIDITOWER ELITE 310 ATX BLACK/ORANGE 290:-
CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 XMS3 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X8GB) 639:-
ASUS DRW-24B5ST DVD±R/RW/RAM DL 24X SATA BLACK RETAIL 169:-
Total for me with student discount 7 727:- = 880 euro
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I would say this looks good now...
But i think you misunderstood my hint for the video card?!? I didn't mean that a GTX 430/440 would be better than the intel graphics, but that the HD4000 is almost at the same level like the worst available video cards on the market and that something like a GTX 560 (TI) would be much better...
But if you buy an active cooled card you should watch out for noisy fans... better read some reviews.
How about a CPU cooler?
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@numerobis said:
I would say this looks good now...
But i think you misunderstood my hint for the video card?!? I didn't mean that a GTX 430/440 would be better than the intel graphics, but that the HD4000 is almost at the same level like the worst available video cards on the market and that something like a GTX 560 (TI) would be much better...
But if you buy an active cooled card you should watch out for noisy fans... better read some reviews.
How about a CPU cooler?
If I search around on the website there i want to buy it from, what would i look for to know if it´s good ore not if i dont want to search over google every time? Is higher number in GeForce GT(X) (number) better and what does the X stands for?
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To get a rough overview of the available cards you should maybe take a look at the linked comparison chart on tomshardware...
nvidia names the faster cards of a line "GTX" and the slower ones "GT". I think everything under "50" (GTX550 or GTX650) is named GT now.
Like i said before, i would look for a GTX 560 or GTX 560 TI. They are available with 1GB and 2GB RAM and different coolers from different brands.
Everything above is too energy consuming for daily sketchup work - in my opinion (and is too expensive and runs too hot).
The newer 6xx series seems to be not so good for professional 3D work. -
@numerobis said:
To get a rough overview of the available cards you should maybe take a look at the linked comparison chart on tomshardware...
nvidia names the faster cards of a line "GTX" and the slower ones "GT". I think everything under "50" (GTX550 or GTX650) is named GT now.
Like i said before, i would look for a GTX 560 or GTX 560 TI. They are available with 1GB and 2GB RAM and different coolers from different brands.
Everything above is too energy consuming for daily sketchup work - in my opinion (and is too expensive and runs too hot).
The newer 6xx series seems to be not so good for professional 3D work.I found Asus GTX560 1GB PCI-E DC for 1 549:- but when I read reviews it often comes up what it's overpriced, if I now have to buy a graphic card to I mayby need a better PSU and then I found this at the same price as the other but it is at 650 W and it's gold certified FRACTAL DESIGN TESLA R2 650W WHITE.
I have found that the company that cell windows 7 for 819:- have rais it to 949:- so now I mayby take windows 8 instead.Do you have any tip for another good graphic card in a little cheaper price class?
(I think I am up in about 8 000 kr now I think it is little too much)
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The Seasonic that i posted should be enough for one video card - even if you plug in a GTX580/680. No need for 80plus GOLD - Gold is not stronger, only a few percent more efficient (~5%) than Bronze - but much more expensive...
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus )I really don't know what to say about the video card... If the 560 or 560TI is too expensive for you, then buy a cheaper one!?
But as most of the time if you buy components - you get what you pay for! A GTX 550 or 550TI could be ok. But i would not go below a GTX 550. I think a GT440 is not worth the money - then you can better use the embedded chip...
The 550TI should be ~30-40% slower than a 560TI but for maybe 50% less money - i'm not sure about the 550.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/19-Tom-s-Hardware-Index-B-Performance,2976.htmlI think 949 SEK = 110€ is still cheap or normal for Win7 Pro x64 OEM.
If you want it cheaper you could buy a "labled" version. These are reselled OEM Reinstallation DVDs, normally from Dell. I have already bought two of these and registered successfully - but no guaranty from my side! (But i would not buy it on ebay!)
I don't know if there are swedish versions...
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B005KJ9P2U/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=330045087&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B004BMPJZO&pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_r=1CKAY6RQ79JE7GBA9H80 -
After some serach i found GTX 550 TI so now I think to buy this:
ASUS GEFORCE GTX 550 TI 1GB PCI-E DVI/HDMI 1040:-
MICROSOFT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREM SP1 64-BIT SWE DVD#OEM 901:-
INTEL CORE I7 3770K 3.5GHZ 8MB S-1155 IVY 2 675:-
CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 XMS3 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X8GB) 629:-
SEASONIC S12 II 620W PSU 890:-
COOLER MASTER MIDITOWER ELITE 310 ATX BLACK/ORANGE 290:-
ASUS DRW-24B5ST DVD±R/RW/RAM DL 24X SATA BLACK 169:-
ASRock Z77 PRO3 Intel Z77 4xDDR3 CrossFireX Socket 1155 ATX 825:-
Intel 330 Series 180GB SSD R:500/W:450 2.5" SATA-3 989:-
Total 8 408:-
Have look on different cpu cooler from Noctua and have also found Zalman CNPS12X CPU Cooler that cost just 169:- insted of 675:- but it's temporarily out of stock.
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