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Gaieus

All right, sorry, I must have overlooked that. Note however that without a dedicated video card, SU may be sluggish (although I have heard of some later integrated chipsets that they can run at least without issues even if not at full power).

numerobis

I don't know if you are actually reading what i am typing here... but i will try it again.

wattage is not everything - you need enough ampere
efficiency is normally best at 50-60% load
noise

And i think you should get a video card if you want to use that machine for modeling and graphic stuff...
You can compare the performance of the HD4000 embeded graphics only with the lowest end video cards on the market, and even then it is slower:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_3770K_Ivy_Bridge_GPU/23.html

and now look how the GT430, GT440 or HD6670 perform compared to a good midrange card like the GTX560TI:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/19-Tom-s-Hardware-Index-B-Performance,2976.html
not really comparable...

But you can try it and plug in a card later.

Gaieus

@numerobis said:

...But you can try it and plug in a card later.

Indeed - and to do so, you may want to prepare with the PSU already enough to support it (so that you need not change that as well later).

I would really not start saving on that piece.

vigge50

Okey, after your tip I have change it to this:

ASRock Z77 PRO3 Intel Z77 4xDDR3 CrossFireX Socket 1155 ATX 825:-

Intel 330 Series 180GB SSD R:500/W:450 2.5" SATA-3 989:-

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM Swedish SP1 819:-

SEASONIC S12 II 620W PSU 890:-

GIGABYTE GEFORCE GT 430 2GB PCI-E VGA/DVI/HDMI 566:-

INTEL CORE I7 3770K 3.5GHZ 8MB S-1155 IVY 2 590:-

COOLER MASTER MIDITOWER ELITE 310 ATX BLACK/ORANGE 290:-

CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 XMS3 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X8GB) 639:-

ASUS DRW-24B5ST DVD±R/RW/RAM DL 24X SATA BLACK RETAIL 169:-

Total for me with student discount 7 727:- = 880 euro

numerobis

I would say this looks good now...

But i think you misunderstood my hint for the video card?!? I didn't mean that a GTX 430/440 would be better than the intel graphics, but that the HD4000 is almost at the same level like the worst available video cards on the market and that something like a GTX 560 (TI) would be much better...

But if you buy an active cooled card you should watch out for noisy fans... better read some reviews.

How about a CPU cooler?

vigge50

@numerobis said:

I would say this looks good now...

But i think you misunderstood my hint for the video card?!? I didn't mean that a GTX 430/440 would be better than the intel graphics, but that the HD4000 is almost at the same level like the worst available video cards on the market and that something like a GTX 560 (TI) would be much better...

But if you buy an active cooled card you should watch out for noisy fans... better read some reviews.

How about a CPU cooler?

If I search around on the website there i want to buy it from, what would i look for to know if it´s good ore not if i dont want to search over google every time? Is higher number in GeForce GT(X) (number) better and what does the X stands for?

numerobis

To get a rough overview of the available cards you should maybe take a look at the linked comparison chart on tomshardware...

nvidia names the faster cards of a line "GTX" and the slower ones "GT". I think everything under "50" (GTX550 or GTX650) is named GT now.
Like i said before, i would look for a GTX 560 or GTX 560 TI. They are available with 1GB and 2GB RAM and different coolers from different brands.
Everything above is too energy consuming for daily sketchup work - in my opinion (and is too expensive and runs too hot).
The newer 6xx series seems to be not so good for professional 3D work.

vigge50

@numerobis said:

To get a rough overview of the available cards you should maybe take a look at the linked comparison chart on tomshardware...

nvidia names the faster cards of a line "GTX" and the slower ones "GT". I think everything under "50" (GTX550 or GTX650) is named GT now.
Like i said before, i would look for a GTX 560 or GTX 560 TI. They are available with 1GB and 2GB RAM and different coolers from different brands.
Everything above is too energy consuming for daily sketchup work - in my opinion (and is too expensive and runs too hot).
The newer 6xx series seems to be not so good for professional 3D work.

I found Asus GTX560 1GB PCI-E DC for 1 549:- but when I read reviews it often comes up what it's overpriced, if I now have to buy a graphic card to I mayby need a better PSU and then I found this at the same price as the other but it is at 650 W and it's gold certified FRACTAL DESIGN TESLA R2 650W WHITE.
I have found that the company that cell windows 7 for 819:- have rais it to 949:- so now I mayby take windows 8 instead.

Do you have any tip for another good graphic card in a little cheaper price class?

(I think I am up in about 8 000 kr now I think it is little too much)

numerobis

The Seasonic that i posted should be enough for one video card - even if you plug in a GTX580/680. No need for 80plus GOLD - Gold is not stronger, only a few percent more efficient (~5%) than Bronze - but much more expensive...
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus )

I really don't know what to say about the video card... If the 560 or 560TI is too expensive for you, then buy a cheaper one!?
But as most of the time if you buy components - you get what you pay for! A GTX 550 or 550TI could be ok. But i would not go below a GTX 550. I think a GT440 is not worth the money - then you can better use the embedded chip...
The 550TI should be ~30-40% slower than a 560TI but for maybe 50% less money - i'm not sure about the 550.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/19-Tom-s-Hardware-Index-B-Performance,2976.html

I think 949 SEK = 110€ is still cheap or normal for Win7 Pro x64 OEM.
If you want it cheaper you could buy a "labled" version. These are reselled OEM Reinstallation DVDs, normally from Dell. I have already bought two of these and registered successfully - but no guaranty from my side! (But i would not buy it on ebay!)
I don't know if there are swedish versions...
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B005KJ9P2U/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=330045087&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B004BMPJZO&pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_r=1CKAY6RQ79JE7GBA9H80

vigge50

After some serach i found GTX 550 TI so now I think to buy this:

ASUS GEFORCE GTX 550 TI 1GB PCI-E DVI/HDMI 1040:-

MICROSOFT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREM SP1 64-BIT SWE DVD#OEM 901:-

INTEL CORE I7 3770K 3.5GHZ 8MB S-1155 IVY 2 675:-

CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 XMS3 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X8GB) 629:-

SEASONIC S12 II 620W PSU 890:-

COOLER MASTER MIDITOWER ELITE 310 ATX BLACK/ORANGE 290:-

ASUS DRW-24B5ST DVD±R/RW/RAM DL 24X SATA BLACK 169:-

ASRock Z77 PRO3 Intel Z77 4xDDR3 CrossFireX Socket 1155 ATX 825:-

Intel 330 Series 180GB SSD R:500/W:450 2.5" SATA-3 989:-

Total 8 408:-

Have look on different cpu cooler from Noctua and have also found Zalman CNPS12X CPU Cooler that cost just 169:- insted of 675:- but it's temporarily out of stock.

numerobis

Wow, 19,62€ for a CNPS12X? Really? If this is true, i think it's clear why they are out of stock...
The CNPS12X seems to be really great - but normally a bit expensive
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/zalman-cnps12x_5.html

If you don't get one, i think the cheapest good cooler is still the Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev. A

One more thing about the Seasonic... if you would like to have removable cables there is also a M12 II 620W for a few bucks more (i've just ordered one today for my new rendernode )

vigge50

Found a new website with some nice prices so now I have this:

KFA2 GeForce GTX 550 Ti - grafikkort - GF GTX 550 Ti 816:-

MICROSOFT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREM SP1 64-BIT SWE DVD#OEM 834:-

INTEL CORE I7 3770K 3.5GHZ 8MB S-1155 IVY 2 641:-

CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 XMS3 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X8GB) 562:-

SEASONIC S12 II 620W PSU 748:-

COOLER MASTER MIDITOWER ELITE 310 ATX BLACK/ORANGE 290:-

Samsung SH-224BB - DVD±RW- (±R DL-) / DVD-RAM-en 154:-

ASRock Z77 PRO3 Intel Z77 4xDDR3 CrossFireX Socket 1155 ATX 825:-

Intel 330 Series 180GB SSD R:500/W:450 2.5" SATA-3 989:-

Total 7 859:-

numerobis

no cooler anymore?

vigge50

The prices have get up littel and the graphic card I had choose doesn't sells anymore so now I am just over 8 000kr and look for a cooler. I have read that Noctua make the best air cooler but I don't now if I would chosse the extrem Noctua NH-D14(679:-), mayby the littel cheaper NOCTUA NH-U12P(525:-) or NOCTUA NH-U9B SE2(425:-)

numerobis

The Noctua NH-D14 is nice but VERY expensive. I didn't think that this would fit your budget...

@numerobis said:

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a good cooler, maybe Thermalright True Spirit 120 Rev. A ~25€ (or HR-2 Macho or Macho 120)
...

I think the Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev. A (BW) has still the best price/performance ratio at the moment (~40€) and a very quiet fan - i have two of them in use for render nodes (overclocked i7 980x and 3930K).
The True Spirit would be an even cheaper solution. Performance is a bit below the Macho - like the price.

vigge50

Thank you for the tip, found out that the true spirit is really good if you look on this test
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/xigmatek-prime-thermalright-true-spirit-140_7.html
I found this for just 344:- and the other one that you talk about I just found on one or two websites and was mush expensiver so the spirit is enought for me. Right now I am on 8391:- = 967€

numerobis

yes, the True Spirit 140is even better than the Macho. If you're in the 40€+ range now, this should be the one to get, i think.

vigge50

The true spirit 140 normally cost 459:- but now it's 25% discount so it cost just 344:- = 40€

vigge50

Search for a case fan because it is just one in the case and read that Scythe Gentle Typhoon was really good but how good do I need, there is 500, 800, 1150, 1450, 1850, 3000 and 4250 rpm. The prices is near the same so that doesn't matter but I don't want it to sound more that I really need.

numerobis

I think a front fan is not absolutely neccessary. One case fan on the backside could be enough.
If you want to install one, i would take one with 800-1200rpm i think and then use the fan control of the BIOS (UEFI) to adjust it to maybe ~600-900rpm. The Scythe GT is very good, but very expensive too. You could also take a Yate Loon for ~5€ or a Thermalright (not sure about the product numbers - you should look for some reviews). They should be good enough as a case fan.