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    • thomthomT Offline
      thomthom
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      @silverwingsltd said:

      I've just installed windows 8 on my cpu and to my great disappointment, sketchup was suddenly working very slow compared to windows 7

      Has anyone got the same problem? or know what to do?

      Have you checked that you got proper drivers for your graphic card on Win8.

      On my Netbook, which under Windows7 have OpenGL hardware acceleration, I found that the default drivers under Windows8 did not provide this. The manufacturer, Packard Bell, has not issued updated drivers yet. This is why I get annoyed by laptop manufacturers because they always make you use their own custom drivers - instead of using plain vanilla drivers. And they are always slow to update - or quickly stop updating them.

      Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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      • sketch3d.deS Offline
        sketch3d.de
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        @thomthom said:

        This is why I get annoyed by laptop manufacturers because they always make you use their own custom drivers - instead of using plain vanilla drivers.

        in the meanwhile many recent nVidia GPUs are supported directly by nVidia an their plain vanilla drivers.

        no need to use ol' manufacturer drivers or wait for them updating these.

        I would check too, if the hardware acceleration in the OpenGL settings of SU is enabled.

        Norbert

        btw, running Windoze directly on an intelMac is not very uncommon, e.g. a Macbook Air/Pro is a nice piece of hardware and runs fine w/ Windows too.

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          @sketch3d.de said:

          @thomthom said:

          This is why I get annoyed by laptop manufacturers because they always make you use their own custom drivers - instead of using plain vanilla drivers.

          in the meanwhile many recent nVidia GPUs are supported directly by nVidia an their plain vanilla drivers.

          no need to use ol' manufacturer drivers or wait for them updating these.

          Unfortunately my netbook has a Intel Integrated GMA 4500 card. 😞

          Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
          List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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          • sketch3d.deS Offline
            sketch3d.de
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            @thomthom said:

            Unfortunately my netbook has a Intel Integrated GMA 4500 card. 😞

            you may want check directly by intel (GM45 chipset).

            on the other hand, who wants to use an OpenGL based 3D modeler on a lame netbook w/ a shared and thus slow graphics 'accelerator' πŸ˜‰

            Norbert

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              @sketch3d.de said:

              on the other hand, who wants to use an OpenGL based 3D modeler on a lame netbook w/ a shared and thus slow graphics 'accelerator' πŸ˜‰

              Yea - I don't do work on it. But I bring the notebook when I'm on the go - like at Basecamp. I had to boot back into Win7 for my presentations. But seeing how Win7 has OpenGL support I'd hoped that Win8 would as well.

              Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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              • soloS Offline
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                I used Windows 8 on my laptop at basecamp, ran Sketchup and Thea seamlessly. I have 8400M dedicated card however if that makes the difference.

                http://www.solos-art.com

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                • silverwingsltdS Offline
                  silverwingsltd
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                  Hi again

                  First of all... About the iMac vs Windows-thing:)
                  You don't get a much better picture than on an 27 inch iMac;)
                  The downside to that is that I bought my licensed Sketchup and vray back when I only had a PC, but with bootcamp and windows 7 on the mac, everything was working just fine.

                  I found the problem. It is the video card (AMD Radeon HD 6900m) that's causing trouble (or at least I think it is) anyway, I can't turn on the "use hardware acceleration" button. I have tried updating the graphics card but nothing happens... unfortunately:(

                  IntelCore i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz 12.0 GB RAM Sketchup 8 VfSU 1.6 beta

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                  • soloS Offline
                    solo
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                    Tried updating to this driver: http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/GRAPHICS-BOARD/AMD/AMD-Radeon-HD-6900-Display-Driver-8982108000-for-Windows-8.shtml

                    http://www.solos-art.com

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                    • sketch3d.deS Offline
                      sketch3d.de
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                      @solo said:

                      ...softpedia.com...

                      ...or download directly from AMD.

                      Norbert

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                        ascolima
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                        @silverwingsltd said:

                        Hi again

                        First of all... About the iMac vs Windows-thing:)
                        You don't get a much better picture than on an 27 inch iMac;)
                        The downside to that is that I bought my licensed Sketchup and vray back when I only had a PC, but with bootcamp and windows 7 on the mac, everything was working just fine.

                        I found the problem. It is the video card (AMD Radeon HD 6900m) that's causing trouble (or at least I think it is) anyway, I can't turn on the "use hardware acceleration" button. I have tried updating the graphics card but nothing happens... unfortunately:(

                        Hi silverwingsltd
                        I am having the same exact problem you describe here. My sketchUp runs super slow on my newly installed windows 8, and I'm not able to use the "hardware acceleration".
                        Have you been able to find a solution? Please share if you did.
                        Thanks

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                        • thomthomT Offline
                          thomthom
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                          What graphic card do you have? Have you installed and updated all your drivers?

                          Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                          List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                            ascolima
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                            @thomthom said:

                            What graphic card do you have? Have you installed and updated all your drivers?

                            Hi, my laptop has "mobile intel 4 series express chipset family). I did update the driver to the latest for Windows 8 (WDDM 1.1). But my sketchUp is still super slow, and the open GL acceleration is still grayed-out.
                            However, yesterday I did more research and read in a gaming forum that some of these drivers do not support Open GL yet on Windows 8. And the way to fix that was to adjust your startup to load the driver for Windows 7, and open GL should run fine like that.
                            I have not had the guts to give that a try though. any suggestions?

                            Here's a discussion about it:
                            http://communities.intel.com/message/171099

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                            • sketch3d.deS Offline
                              sketch3d.de
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                              @ascolima said:

                              Hi, my laptop has "mobile intel 4 series express chipset family).

                              SU does - as any other OpenGL based 3D modeler - require a fully and mature OpenGL v1.5+ support. Which shared/integrated grapics subsystems of e.g. office desktops or low-end notebooks simply do not provide.

                              hth,
                              Norbert

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                                @sketch3d.de said:

                                @ascolima said:

                                Hi, my laptop has "mobile intel 4 series express chipset family).

                                SU does - as any other OpenGL based 3D modeler - require a fully and mature OpenGL v1.5+ support. Which shared/integrated grapics subsystems of e.g. office desktops or low-end notebooks simply do not provide.

                                hth,
                                Norbert

                                This same exact laptop and graphics card had windows Vista before and I never had a problem with sketchUp. I was able to select the OpenGL acceleration and all my models ran smoothly.
                                I've been having the problem ever since I upgraded to windows 8, so your above statement is not necessarily true.
                                Just want to figure out how I can get it to have the GL support again, read somewhere that I could revert just the driver back to windows 7 and it should work, but no luck yet.

                                UPDATE, finally got it to work πŸ˜„
                                the driver straight from Intel, version Windows 7, was not working for me... But I went to my laptop's manufacturer website and downloaded the driver there, and that fixed it!! Now I'm running Sketchup smoothly on Windows 8 with the graphics driver for Windows 7, and my openGL acceleration is available...

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                                  πŸ‘ πŸ‘

                                  Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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                                  • thomthomT Offline
                                    thomthom
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                                    Still hoping for drivers for my laptop... 😞

                                    Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                    List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                    • sketch3d.deS Offline
                                      sketch3d.de
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                                      @ascolima said:

                                      This same exact laptop and graphics card had windows Vista before and I never had a problem with sketchUp. I was able to select the OpenGL acceleration and all my models ran smoothly.

                                      the recent intel HD Graphics 4000 is definitely better than Thomas ol' GMA 4500 but surely still no first choice for high poly count models.

                                      @ascolima said:

                                      But I went to my laptop's manufacturer website and downloaded the driver there, and that fixed it!! Now I'm running Sketchup smoothly on Windows 8 with the graphics driver for Windows 7, and my openGL acceleration is available...

                                      many current notebooks (make/model?) do have 2 graphics subsytems integrated, the lame/integrated but powersaving intel HD graphics is used for office/internet/video stuff and the fast/dedicated but powerconsuming GeForce or Radeon is activated if processing of e.g. 3D graphics output accelerated by OpenGL is required.

                                      For doing this the appropriate video driver for these hybrid graphics solutions needs to be installed, which is typically distributed by the manufacturer of the notebook.

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