Problem saving model as .skp file

hellnbak

hellnbak weird problem # 2,323,107 --

For various reasons I had to open a skb file. Expected a msg asking me what program I wanted to open it with, but for some reason it opened normally. Copied a component from the model and pasted it into another instance of SU. Did some work and then tried to save it. Then the problems began.

As you can see I tried to save it as a normal skp file
SU Error Msg 2.jpg
but when I click on Save it keeps giving me the error msg below.
SU Error Msg 3.jpg

And just to make things a little weirder, the folder I'm trying to save it to shows that it has saved several versions of the skp model as skb files (including the one it says it can't find)
SU Error Msg 4.jpg

Possibly this has something to do with me opening a skb file to begin with, but I've done that before a couple of times and never encountered anything like this.

A million dollars and half a bologna sandwich to anybody who can solve this one for me

hellnbak

An update. I haven't done anything with the model in question, working on something else. Then this error msg pops up on my screen
SU Error Msg 5.jpg

and when I check the folder it has saved another version of the file as a skb
SU Error Msg 6.jpg

Now I'm willing to throw in the other half of the sandwich

hellnbak

Not sure if this is relevant, but I did update to the Trimble version of SU just before working on this model

beginner

Looking at your *.SKB icons, I think that for some reason you have your *.skb files associated with SU.

Make some copies of the SKB files in case.

Next, check your file association under:
Control Panel > Control Panel Home > Default Programs > Set Associations

If this is the case delete the association from the list.

hellnbak, I assume that you know that you can change the extension from *.skb to *.skp and open with SU (by default).

hellnbak

Tried to do as you suggested. My skp files were associated with SU, but nothing I could do would delete it.
SU Error Msg 7.jpg
It does offers to let me change the program it opens with.
SU Error Msg 8.jpg

hellnbak

When I right click on it, no options, nothing. Pressing delete key does nothing. How do I delete this thing?

Or can I maybe just associate it with some other obscure program instead of SU?

Dan Rathbun

I had no problems opening a skb via the SketchUp openpanel, then immediately doing a "Save As..." to a skp file.

I'm on XP under SU v8.0M4

hellnbak

@dan rathbun said:

I had no problems opening a skb via the SketchUp openpanel, then immediately doing a "Save As..." to a skp file.

I'm on XP under SU v8.0M4

It's been a long time since I've opened a skb file, but I also had no problems when I did. Up to now. Any chance the update caused this?

Dan Rathbun

I still have SU 7.1M2 installed.

When I double-clicked a SKB file (in my SU8 "Models" dir,) I got a popup (from SU7.1,) that said it was created in a newer version.)

I tried to re-associate SKB with SU8, but it would not work. And the document icons for SKB had the old SU7 icon in them.
What was happening in the File Types dialog, was that it would not show me SU8 as "SketchUp Application" only SU7, even if I browsed to the SU8 executable file.

I had to manually edit the Registry under hive "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT/.skb"
and add a key named "SketchUp.Document"
and under that an empty key named "ShellNew"

Once I did that, and then went back into the Folder Options > File Types dialog, and clicked the Change... button, Both SU7 and SU8 appeared under the Recommended Programs group, and I could choose the one with the new icon (SU8M4)

Now when I double-click an SKB file, it opens normally in SU8 (latest version installed.)

I'll ask the Trimblers what they think...

Dan Rathbun

@hellnbak said:

When I right click on it, no options, nothing. Pressing delete key does nothing. How do I delete this thing?

Or can I maybe just associate it with some other obscure program instead of SU?

On XP, I always go thru the "Tools" menu, "Folder Options" dialog, "File Types" tab. (It gives more options.)

BUT.. I see that Windows 6+ no longer has this tab on the "Folder Options" dialog.

beginner

Again, it was so long ago when I have to do that...
I can see thatVista and 7 would not allow to remove the association through GUI directly as Dan said.
but there is always a solution...

- Download unassoc.zip and save to Desktop (attached) or [http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/unassociate-file-types-windows-7-vista/](http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/unassociate-file-types-windows-7-vista/)

Extract the contents to a folder and run the file unassoc.exe

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Select the file type from the list
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Click Remove file association (User)
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Tried on Vista - it works...
PS. Windows restart required...

unassoc_1_4.zip

hellnbak

I'm on Win 7, and while it does have the "Folder Options", it no longer has the "File Types" option.

Interestingly, I'm now on my laptop, and I have not updated SU on it, and it doesn't associate skb with SU
su problem 1.jpg

and when I attempt to open a skb file it gives this message, which is what I expected when I opened the other skb file
su problem 2.jpg

Based on this I sort of have to assume the problem began after I updated SU on my desktop computer.

Any thoughts?

hellnbak

@beginner said:

Again, it was so long ago when I have to do that...
I can see thatVista and 7 would not allow to remove the association through GUI directly as Dan said.
but there is always a solution...
- Download unassoc.zip and save to Desktop (attached) or [http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/unassociate-file-types-windows-7-vista/](http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/unassociate-file-types-windows-7-vista/)
Extract the contents to a folder and run the file unassoc.exe
Select the file type from the list
Click Remove file association (User)
Tried on Vista - it works...
PS. Windows restart required...

I'll give this a try when I get home (I'm at a coffee shop right now).

I really appreciate all your help and suggestions.

So, do you agree that based on what I've found so far the problem might be associated with updating SU to the Trimble version?

Dan Rathbun

@hellnbak said:

So, do you agree that based on what I've found so far the problem might be associated with updating SU to the Trimble version?

Don't know yet.

I just checked our Win7 desktop in the office. It has v8.0M3 on it, and has NO file association for SKB files, as created by the installer.

I will update it now to the Trimble re-branded v8.0M4 and see what happens.

hellnbak

@dan rathbun said:

I will update it now to the Trimble re-branded v8.0M4 and see what happens.

Will anxiously await the results. Meanwhile I'm not going to update my laptop.

Dan Rathbun

Install complete... rebooting machine... steppin' out for a smoke.

P.S.: Forgot to explicitely state this... but this test is good because our Win7 office desktop NEVER had any version less than v8.0M2 installed on it.

beginner

I treat all *.skb files as my fallback position (similar to *.bak in AutoCAD)
I don't use them if I don't have to.
They are always sitting there in case *.skp would be corrupted.

PS. There is no problem on XP or Vista - it could be something on 7

Dan Rathbun

I finished installing v8.0M4 on our Win7 machine (which never had any v7 or earlier installed on it.)

It did NOT register a file association for SKB files.
I checked the ".DEFAULT" registry hive, and it looks like only KMZ and KML files are defined in the user hive for file extensions (and also in hive %(#804000)[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT].)

The user is always free to override any file associations. (Example on the same machine, there may be 2 user accounts, and each user wants to associate various media file types with their own preferred media player application.)

So file associations in key:
%(#804000)[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FileExts]
take precedence over those in hive %(#804000)[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT]

My feeling is that IF you have auto save backups ON, and the file is named "mymodel3.skb" and you opened it by double-clicking, and do not immediately rename and save it as a ".skp" file, when auto save triggers, and it wants to save the model as "mymodel3.skb",... it CANNOT because that file is in use and locked.

However I would expect the error popup to save something to the effect that the "file is in use by another application".. etc, not that it does not exist.

SKB files should be treated as templates, and open as "Untitled.skp" (similar to what happens when you double-click a ".dot" MS Word document template.)

hellnbak

@dan rathbun said:

I finished installing v8.0M4 on our Win7 machine (which never had any v7 or earlier installed on it.)

It did NOT register a file association for SKB files.

Huh. Can't imagine what happened on my machine. I know I didn't change any file associations. I used to occasionally on my XP machines but since I never noticed that "Folder Options" is missing on Win7 I obviously never did on this one. But I'm also pretty sure I haven't messed with any skb files since I built my new computer and went with Win7, so maybe somehow the problem was there all along.

Anyhow, went with Gregory's suggestion and it worked fine, skb files are now associated with "Unknown application", and the file I was having a problem with now saves just fine as a skp file.

@dan rathbun said:

SKB files should be treated as templates, and open as "Untitled.skp" (similar to what happens when you double-click a ".dot" MS Word document template.)

Not sure what you mean by this. Treated as templates? And how do you open a skb file as "Untitled.skp"?

Dan Rathbun

@hellnbak said:

@dan rathbun said:

SKB files should be treated as templates, and open as "Untitled.skp" (similar to what happens when you double-click a ".dot" MS Word document template.)

Not sure what you mean by this. Treated as templates? And how do you open a skb file as "Untitled.skp"?

I am saying the application should treat them as if you opened a template. But it doesn't YET.

In fact SketchUp does not have a template extension like most other major applications. Ie ".dot" for ".doc", ".xlt" for ".xls" etc. Normal behavior is, when you double-click a template file, the application associated with the template, opens it but sets the opened filename to "Untitled" or similar. If you try to do a normal save, the application will prompt you for a filename by opening the savepanel.

So, I am proposing that SketchUp should both have a ".skt" template extension, and also treat ".skb" files (when double-click opened,) as if you wish to use them as a template. (I had already logged a Feature Request for a "Open from template..." File menu item, so I'll revisit it, and make sure I add this "skb" issue. (or log a new FR.)

You can do it manually, (when you open a SKB,) by immediately doing a "Save As.." and give the file a new name with a .SKP extension.