DONT go to the doctor!
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In the Netherlands you must go to the docter for a checkup when your above the age of 45.
So i went to the docter in a very health condition because i train a soccer and a volleybal team both playing in the top off our country.When i left the docter, he ordered me to drink less beer and don't eat so much chips/popcorn/chinese food etc etc.
Now i feel myself very sick.
So don't go to the docter when you're not sick at all.
My grandfather doesn't go to the docter at all, and he died at the age of 106. Positive thinking is the best medicin he said
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Here in the states we have that covered, we made it too expensive to see a doctor.
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The trick is to see the right doctor.
For years I've been going to one who kept giving me more and more medication without showing any evidence of any improvement.
When he prescribed anti depressants on top of all the BP Meds, Beta blockers, Diuretics, cholesterol meds etc... I decided it was time for a change.So 8 months ago I got a new doctor, he suggested a few small changes to my diet, and a few other odds and ends. He never told me to stop doing anything, in fact he said I should continue to have a drink and smoke, but to enjoy each and every one rather than just do it out of habit.
To cut a long story short, 8 months later I'm 40 kilos lighter, don't smoke, drink what I like, eat extremely well and take no medication at all.
Seeing the right Doctor gave me my life back.
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That's a great story Ben!!!
Yeah I just went along for the nearly 50 thing, finding out my cholesterol was the only problem was a good thing as i can now get that under control.
@ Pete - mate I feel for you guys in the USA - all consultations and tests cost here nothing!
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That's great to hear Richard, getting your cholesterol right with diet is not only relatively easy but actually very tasty.
I've become a little evangelical about my health, so I won't go on about it here except to say, having grown up as a fat fucker, one of my earliest memories being one of my brothers saying I was so fat I would have a heart attack before I was 8 years old, to now being fit enough to run the City to Surf at 50 is quite a change of life.
And if my memory serves me correctly, you have a flat overlooking one of my favourite beaches, I used to live at Cremorne Point, and it won't be long before I'm back there running on that very beach.
Edit: Come to think of it it was the banana bender who moved, and even put a tie on in his Av, bit late at night and too much wine for me to pin it down.
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I visited the doctor to sort out a slipped disc.
"There's this little operation you need to remove two discs" he says "I've known footballers have this operation and two weeks later they are back playing professionally" he continues.I had the operation, I also had a stroke. Five months later I'm back in the doctors surgery.
"I've got a bone to pick with you!" says I, now with a severe limp, dodgy hand, sagging face and slurring worse than a tart on a drinking binge.
"What's that?" asks the doc looking nervous and putting a chair between us.
"You said I would be playing professional football in two weeks, Arsenal haven't rung me at all!"The doc looked vacant and wrote me a script for anti depressants. That was ten years ago, and fourteen strokes and three heart attacks later...I'm still not playing professional football!
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You folks need to heed the doctor. You are too talented for the world to lose you.
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I went and visited my doc last week with aches and pains all over. He asked me show him where I was sore.
I said "if I press here on my leg it hurts, and if I press on my shoulder I feel pain also. It even hurts if I press on the side of my neck."
I was told I had a dislocated finger....
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@box said:
And if my memory serves me correctly, you have a flat overlooking one of my favourite beaches, I used to live at Cremorne Point, and it won't be long before I'm back there running on that very beach.
Edit: Come to think of it it was the banana bender who moved, and even put a tie on in his Av, bit late at night and too much wine for me to pin it down.
Nah it was me mate! Moved to Balmoral next to the bottleshop! Hmm!
So you'll be back? Still in Aust now or coming back, catchups will be great when you do mate!
Seems I've done much the opposite to you mate. Started the first 30 fit as and at one point was racing MTBs against Cadel Evans. I remember once walking in the blueys from Leura to Katoomba and friends were dragging behind so I raced ahead and did six sprint laps up and down the giant staircase. Now seems I've found that level of exercise just silly.
It's surprising though how much fitness can be carried over when you spent 3/4 of your life training like a bitch. I had a ECG and my resting HR was 52BPM which was a surprise.
So now I've just got to get off these dam macadamia nuts and get back into some climbing, don't know what happened there!
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@solo said:
Here in the states we have that covered, we made it too expensive to see a doctor.
LOL, that's the truth.
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Well, I try to avoid going to the doctors, on the principle that most aches and pains are just that and not worth wasting the doctor's time with.
Last January I finally gave in and went with a small catalogue of what I thought were minor aches and ailments.
I came away from that appointment with two major surgeries to schedule, after not needing major surgery since I had my tonsils removed about 45 years ago.
First surgery went ahead in early April, to fix a ventral hernia. No trouble with the anasthetic, but astonishing just how much pain an operation on your abdomen can cause when you try to move at all.
The second, more serious, surgery was finally done this weekend. Delayed after the first operation wound became infected. An anterior cervical discectomy with fusion and treatment for spinal stenosis. Supposedly a 1.5 to 2 hour operation that I went into theatre for at 14.30 and came round from at 18.30. Some complication with "unexpected seepage" whatever that means. A complicated name for an operation that simply means they cut through the front of your throat to get to your spine, remove a disc, grind off some boney growth, and insert a tungston cage as a frame for two pieces of your spine to fuse together. That takes 2 months. A last minute change meant that only one disc was removed, even though the plan was to remove two (out of 3 that are damaged.) I could be back for the second doing in another few years.
Theoretically off work for up to 6 weeks.
Starting to feel a bit like Frankenstein's monster now with all the scars, stitches and bandages. Even got the stiff movements 'cos I have to avoid excessive neck movements for a while.
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My God John - I think I'd be waiting that one out till death! ewww! Hope you get back to health soon!
I know how painful abdomen ops can be I once had to have emergency surgery for an incaserated hernia, rushed in and woke up in recovery. Next morning a gorgeous nurse came in and asked if I'd like a sponge bath, as much as I did, I knew I'd get aroused without doubt (she was way hot) and I could stomach the thought of the pain with the old boy surrounded by stitches. Tried instead to drag myself out of bed and into the shower - bad mistake!
Get well mate!
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Waiting it out was not an option...
...it was made very clear that I was on course to lose the use of my arms, my legs, and to lose control of my bladder if I chose to allow the problems to take their natural course.
I was offered a sponge bath too - but by a male nurse.
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Hope you come around okay John. That ordeal sounds really bad. If only the nurse was more to your taste, that sponge bath might have been quite enjoyable
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@john.warburton said:
I was offered a sponge bath too - but by a male nurse.
EW! Yeah I had to get my nuts shaved by a male nurse, not the most fun thing I've ever had done! Now I do it myself every couple of days just in case, so I never have to experience that again!
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@richard said:
@john.warburton said:
I was offered a sponge bath too - but by a male nurse.
EW! Yeah I had to get my nuts shaved by a male nurse, not the most fun thing I've ever had done! Now I do it myself every couple of days just in case, so I never have to experience that again!
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@box said:
The trick is to see the right doctor.
For years I've been going to one who kept giving me more and more medication without showing any evidence of any improvement.
When he prescribed anti depressants on top of all the BP Meds, Beta blockers, Diuretics, cholesterol meds etc... I decided it was time for a change.So 8 months ago I got a new doctor, he suggested a few small changes to my diet, and a few other odds and ends. He never told me to stop doing anything, in fact he said I should continue to have a drink and smoke, but to enjoy each and every one rather than just do it out of habit.
To cut a long story short, 8 months later I'm 40 kilos lighter, don't smoke, drink what I like, eat extremely well and take no medication at all.
Seeing the right Doctor gave me my life back.
Thanks for this info / advise Ben.
From reading your post it looks like we could have similar medical problems. Mine, as far as I know, is heart related. I suffered an attack some years ago and had a couple of stents inserted. Quite an interesting experience, if a little frightening at the time.
Since then I am on 5 tablets a day and while they may be doing what they are supposed to do, I also feel they are effecting me in others ways that are not good. I know I should be getting more exercise and should not be smoking. I do walk more (with Jock, my Westie) also now smoke rollies and watch my diet but I think I must now look into ways of cutting back on these tablets.
Like many here in Ireland that are connected with the building trade, depression is also a factor that sometimes gets to me. Not that I get depressed per say, its more a case of feeling down in sympathy with others that are having difficult times.
I learned how to handle worry many years ago when a good friend told me his secret. It was simple!, 'Think hard about the worst case scenario and things will come into focus for you!'. Once people know what the possible worse case scenario could be, they are then able to get on with things and enjoy life or the battle etc!. Its the worry of having no clue that drives people to despair.
Something that I have been doing of late that shocks people, mostly men that are moaning about this or that, is to take out my iPhone, ask them their age, subtract it from the average 'clog popping age', 78 (for men) then multiply it by 365. Then show them how many more days they can expect to have on average above ground!
Many are initially shocked but it often brings a smile! The end result is that it focuses them to 'get on with it!' and enjoy life be it good or bad. My personal expectations are approx. 6,000 and intend to enjoy them as stress free as I can. It's 'stress' I believe causes much of our medical problems. Keeping stress under control is very important and one way to do that, for men most definitely, it to TALK about it! Talking about things can immediately open the pressure value and make for a more pleasant existence.
This is something men can learn from women. They are excellent at relieving stress by having a good old natter or cry with their friends. Men on the other hand often feel they have to be macho and bottle it all up, I say bollock to that!
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visit my doctor... his favorite quote "you can eat anything, there are lots of available medicine.."
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@richard said:
@john.warburton said:
I was offered a sponge bath too - but by a male nurse.
EW! Yeah I had to get my nuts shaved by a male nurse, not the most fun thing I've ever had done! Now I do it myself every couple of days just in case, so I never have to experience that again!
I did it myself before my hernia operation. They gave the option in advance and while I was about to go under the knife, I felt more at ease shaving myself in that area. Operation went well, went home the same day, the main discomfort was that during the trip back I started feeling sick - which I was the instant I opened the car dock. Think it was the drugs I reacted to - never could take too much liquor either without the same effect. I was told to stay in bed for a couple of days, with option in morphine, ibuprofen and paracetamol. Never used the morphine in fear of going sick again - didn't really need it. My fellow students was eye-balling it though - had to keep it safe. Quit the ibuprofen very quickly as well, don't really want to take pills - I'd rather have some slight discomfort than whatever side-effect the pills might bring. Nurse came around after a couple of days - then I was on my own and I opened the door to her surprise.
When I was at the hospital there was a guy who went into surgery before me - I was in a room with other hernia patents - and he was crawling in pain. I looked over at the guy in the bed next to me, and he had the same puzzled look as I had - "did it hurt so much for you?". Guess it depends on how quickly it's taken. But I'm glad the lump was just a hernia and not something else. My doctor said to not worry - but to me a hernia was good news compared to what I'd started to worry about.
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