Tick, tick, tick, tick, Economic Callapse pending!

jeff hammond

it's money.. money is numbers.. numbers can be calculated..
the banks aren't gambling as in "let's put this system in place and hope for the best"..

The same people making the money control the system in which it's used.

creating panic and crisises etc are part of how the bankers (the elite(?) ones) are able to get the public to accept their actions. (meanwhile they're the one creating the panic.. it's a hoax)
the American dollar is being weakened right now as a ploy to get the Amero (north American dollar) instilled.. the euro is doing the same thing.
maybe we'll skip the Amero and go straight to the Ameuro.. then all that's left is Asia

(sorry for the fragmented thoughts/sentences )

pbacot

@unknownuser said:

It is hard for the average person on the street to begin to comprehend how immense this derivatives bubble is.

Or one may say "near impossible". The non-average people don't have a handle on it, it seems.

Do you believe from what you've read, that there are investment bankers wringing their hands all over the world (or insert "finance ministers, regulators, stock brokers, heads of state")?

I'm quite ready to expect another financial calamity, we seem to have a good string of them going. But I am reminded of my brother-in-law who keeps his eye on the market. His comments usually start: "People don't understand.." "What they don't want you to know.." etc. Somehow he and the few people he follows are the only ones.

I don't doubt there's some who do see the bubbles before they pop. Little I can do, especially regarding high finance. And don't worry about taking back the world. There will be plenty of that, but usually it's done by the rich and powerful, Yet you can bet others won't miss the opportunity ("It's Armageddon! Grab your Bible and your shotgun!" etc.).

Thanks for the post, Mike. I want to look at these, regardless.

Mike Lucey

I hate to say it but the word, Bilderberg, comes to mind!

Here is a list of attendees of the 2011 Meeting. Any 'Power Broker' from your neck of the woods?

EDIT! Before you click the below link. Maybe you should know that this statement is on the site,

'Web server log data
When our Internet site is visited, a log is registered on our web server. This log provides us with non-personal data about the date and time of logging in, as well as the IP address and the browser type from which our Internet site is visited. The information from these server logs is used by our development team for Internet optimalisation of our own site and those of our present and future clients.'

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants_2011.html

What I don't like about these meetings is the 'behind closed doors' aspect. In the case of Irish representation there are two past Attorney Generals (basically this is a non elected Government post as Solicitor to the Cabinet). In a recent referendum here a group of Attorney Generals (retired) spoke out publicly against our elected TDs (Members of Parliament) not been given the power to hold investigations with some 'teeth'. They got their way and the motion was defeated in the polls. I voted in favour even though I have no great love of politician but at least we can kick them out after a few years

Yes, the more I look at the way things are going the more I feel that there are agendas being implemented that are not that of the electorates.

Mike Lucey

.... then again, if this is in fact the 'Official Bilderberg WebSite', I wonder why it has only been in existence since 2009! http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1092848/pg1

solo

As alarming and informative as this thread is, I ask so what besides griping can we do about it?

Are we doomed without a hope or can we somehow facilitate change?

How about a mass exodus from banks to credit unions, or are we too late?

Stinkie

@mike lucey said:

Yes, the more I look at the way things are going the more I feel that there are agendas being implemented that are not that of the electorates.

No sht. Anyone seen Charles Ferguson's 'Inside Job'? The bit about Iceland is especially enlightening (keep in mind, while watching, that the Icelandic political and finacial elite is small). The Icelandic people were basically fcked over by the people who were supposed to represent them.

Sorry for the swearing -injustice and cynicism make me angry.

Mike Lucey

@solo said:

As alarming and informative as this thread is, I ask so what besides griping can we do about it?

Are we doomed without a hope or can we somehow facilitate change?

How about a mass exodus from banks to credit unions, or are we too late?

Credit Unions here use Banks for day to day business operations. So, I imagine if the Bank gets into trouble so do the Credit Unions.

Maybe we should be looking at the barter system. I learned about Bitcoin some months ago and see that it is steadily growing in spite of hearing that the 'power brokers' did not like the idea.

jeff hammond

@solo said:

As alarming and informative as this thread is, I ask so what besides griping can we do about it?

Are we doomed without a hope or can we somehow facilitate change?

How about a mass exodus from banks to credit unions, or are we too late?

education and instilling confidence in the general public are key.. the problem is those channels are controlled by the people seeking to prevent a true democracy..

so on that note, I think what we can do as individuals is simply try to enjoy life.. love our families.. be kind to our neighbors.

our brains are still in our control if we want them to be.. and brains are cool.

Mike Lucey

And voice your opinions LOUDLY!

jeff hammond

oh.. and quit shying away from people of differing nationalities, race, religion, sex, age (if possible ), etc..

that whole divide&conquer thing... it works.

EscapeArtist

IF the most disastrous form of collapse were to occur, rest assured; the populace will be hung out to dry while the wealthy and corporations are propped up with the commoner's money.

Sound familiar?

Perhaps debtor's prisons and serfdom will come back into vogue.

I wonder when it will be 1778 again?

Mike Lucey

Yes, the divide and conquer tactic looks to be one of the cards being played by the Money Brokers at the moment and its working to a degree. I think the politicians and the civil service in the EU are pushing the fiscal pact to secure their salaries and when kicked out, their fat pensions.

However, I find that with the free streaming of information / knowledge these days, they are finding it more and more difficult the keep the true agenda under wraps.

We haven't has a World War for over 60 years but I think we are heading to a financial World War and the weapons being is cash! I also think that maybe this time the Money Brokers have bitten off more than they can chew. They may well have boxed themselves into a corner.

I would hope that the eventual outcome would be a fairer society, one that won't value cash above all else and hopefully will start to tackle the important issues humanity is facing, Hunger, Climate Change, Habitat Destruction, etc etc.

michaliszissiou

Re-posting this interesting 1:30 video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoNjVMhmBfM

jeff hammond

@michaliszissiou said:

Re-posting this interesting 1:30 video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoNjVMhmBfM

ha. I interpreted that as a minute and a half...
looks interesting.. I'll try to watch it tonight.

Mike Lucey

@michaliszissiou said:

Re-posting this interesting 1:30 video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoNjVMhmBfM

Thanks Michalis, I watched it with great interest. I had no idea about what had exactly happened in Greece. The media over the past few years would have us to believe that the Greeks were overpaying themselves and retiring at 50!

I especially noted the parts of the movie regarding the privatisation of electricty, water and rail. The very same thing is being forced on Ireland currectly!

Pete asked a question a while back, what can we do about these things? The answer is said and subtitled in the last few moments of the movie.

%(#000080)[Will the modern man be able to fight his tendency …. to be inactive, to stay silent?
Besides, Thucydides has already said that: It's either freedom or tranquility.
You need to choose. You will either be free or tranquil. You can't have both.]