Occupy Wall street
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@solo said:
Lack of Democracy fuels these protests.The Wall Street crooks get away with stealing billions and our government is doing NOTHING about it, even talking about laxing regulations. The 1% elite keeps us in endless wars, unpayable debt while they are getting richer. The virtual slave labor imports and open borders helped to kill our jobs, our 401 Ks have been robbed (it was all planned) , our crooked and corrupted politicians created financial bubbles that ruined us. It looks that our politicians are not taking the protests seriously enough until there is bloodshed. Then, it may be too late.
I think you're half way there, but I also think that you are forgetting the middle classes. I think they are just as guilty in many ways. (read my other post).
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@mike lucey said:
@tfdesign said:
.... current leaders (hung parliament, because so few came out to vote), are both ex-Etonians. They have practically no grasp on reality at all.
This is so true Tom but in order for these privileged to get into power they need votes and in their case (UK) they must be relying on 'not so privileged' voters.
You do know that Tony Blair was elected as leader of the Labour party by the 'block vote' system? Meaning 1 vote= 20,000 votes!!!! Talk about corrupt!! The 1 vote coming from the Chairman of the Co-op here in Britain... lifelong supporters of the Labour Party. And then that idiot took us into Iraq for no reason, after WMD that didn't exist.
The Con-Lib alliance got in by the skin of their teeth in 2010. The last general election turnout was one of the lowest for years.
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WAR ZONE - HUGE RIOTS ATHENS GREECE 19TH OCTOBER 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgij_jkxVC0Things were 'hot' today in Greece and probably will be 'hotted' tomorrow when the Government vote through the latest IMF / ECB austerity measures.
Isn't it ironic that Greece was the home of Democracy. Maybe it could be the home of New Democracy?
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The Greeks on the other hand have got every reason to be angry. And further more, that anger is concentrated at the people who have screwed Greece over, their government!
On the other side of the Atlantic though....... Nice to see Obama siding with the Wall Street protesters. Blaming the bankers lets Obama and his other Washington cronies- both democrat and republican, off the hook.
Obama plans to turn anti-Wall Street anger on Mitt Romney, Republicans
The presidentโs reelection team will try to turn frustrations on the GOP as the Occupy protests grow.
The Washington Post (www.washingtonpost.com)
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Mike wrote:
@unknownuser said:In this day and age, it just does not make sense to me that I elect a politician based on what they stand for and says they will do and then they go back on their word and do as they please or are 'encouraged' to do by the 1%.
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But what if, an elected Government, having a majority, would also be required to have a majority of citizen continuing support votes on an ongoing basis in order to pass bills / laws as stated in their election manifesto. Surely something like this would keep them on the 'straight and narrow' AND more importantly NOT give the 1% the inclination or ability to 'buy them off'!
I have to connect this to the Green book Juan suggested here: http://forums.sketchucation.com/download/file.php?id=76682
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I thought I'd just share this with you. Einstein, of course, is mostly remembered for his work in physics. But, he also had a very interesting take on politics as well ... Einstein was not a "socialist", but supported socialist economic policies tempered by a strong instinct for individual freedom, personal autonomy, democratic institutions and protection of liberties.
In 1949, Albert Einstein wrote an influential article for the inaugural edition of the Monthly Review titled "Why Socialism?" Walter Isaacson, in his wonderful biography of Albert Einstein: "Einstein, His Life and Universe", wrote a synopsis of that article on page 504:
"In it, he argued that unrestrained capitalism produced great disparities of wealth, cycles of boom and depression, and festering levels of unemployment. The system encouraged selfishness instead of cooperation, and acquiring wealth rather than serving others. People were educated for careers rather than for the love of work and creativity. And political parties became corrupted by political contributions from owners of great capital."
Food for thought ... Cheers.
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@idahoj said:
"In it, he argued that unrestrained capitalism produced great disparities of wealth, cycles of boom and depression, and festering levels of unemployment. The system encouraged selfishness instead of cooperation, and acquiring wealth rather than serving others. People were educated for careers rather than for the love of work and creativity. And political parties became corrupted by political contributions from owners of great capital."
Food for thought ... Cheers.
How true today... here is a bit more from the great thinker
http://atheism.about.com/od/einsteingodreligion/tp/EinsteinPoliticsDemocracy.htm -
@idahoj said:
Einstein, His Life and Universe", wrote a synopsis of that article on page 504:
"In it, he argued that unrestrained capitalism produced great disparities of wealth, cycles of boom and depression, and festering levels of unemployment. The system encouraged selfishness instead of cooperation, and acquiring wealth rather than serving others. People were educated for careers rather than for the love of work and creativity. And political parties became corrupted by political contributions from owners of great capital."
Hey! That's England TODAY!
There's nothing wrong with the fundamental principle behind capitalism, it's just that the capitalist system that we currently live in is wrong. The question is, "what do we do about it"?
But hey! Relax for today, because Man City beat the scum (Man United) 6-1
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@unknownuser said:
Isn't it ironic that Greece was the home of Democracy. Maybe it could be the home of New Democracy?
Greece, no, Athens was the home of Democracy. An Utopia to some, the only event that changed the world and made us individuals, to others.
But now... a new democracy sounds like a new greece. This new greece that's is trying to find something common with the ancients... except our language.
I'm not so optimist at all.
Once again, dear friends... simplicity is the key."Our constitution does not copy the laws of neighbouring states; we are
rather a pattern to others than imitators ourselves. Its administration
favours the many instead of the few; this is why it is called a
democracy. If we look to the laws, they afford equal justice to all in
their private differences; if no social standing, advancement in public
life falls to reputation for capacity, class considerations not being
allowed to interfere with merit; nor again does poverty bar the way, if
a man is able to serve the state, he is not hindered by the obscurity of
his condition. The freedom which we enjoy in our government extends also
to our ordinary life. There, far from exercising a jealous surveillance
over each other, we do not feel called upon to be angry with our
neighbour for doing what he likes, or even to indulge in those injurious
looks which cannot fail to be offensive, although they inflict no
positive penalty. But all this ease in our private relations does not
make us lawless as citizens. Against this fear is our chief safeguard,
teaching us to obey the magistrates and the laws, particularly such as
regard the protection of the injured, whether they are actually on the
statute book, or belong to that code which, although unwritten, yet
cannot be broken without acknowledged disgrace."By Thucydides 431 BC
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Interestingly enough, OWS isn't even getting media coverage anymore ... I read from 4 different news sources on the 'net on a daily basis and not a single one of them reported an OWS event.
However, Jennifer Lopez did have a breakdown on stage: http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/24/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/jennifer-lopez-stage-break-down/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Cheers.
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