Need Advice on a Computer

jeff hammond

@unknownuser said:

27" with the quad i7 3.4
$2200

AMD Radeon HD 6970M

And then you get the Apple ram issue, they charge an arm and leg for 'Apple' approved ram, and this Mac cannot support 24G ram anyway.

yeah, not sure why they put an M card in there.. probably way more powerful than most people need but still..

and i figure suggesting a maxed out 12core macpro w/64GB ram would be a bit of a turnoff pricewise

[fwiw, you don't have to buy ram via apple in order to obtain 'apple approved ram']

but hey, this isn't my money i'm spending here and i highly doubt david would consider switching OS's anyway..

solo

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1141424

Maybe I need to be on a Mac.

david_h

I was just about to say . ..

Sorry.. . I think MAC is cool, but I would have to admire its aesthetically pleasing strong points from afar. .. that would be a bit like changing religions at this point.

Seriously tho' As far as the $$$ goes. .. sure budget is an issue, but only insofar as it is me over-spending on a machine that is way beyond my abilities. .. but I don't want it to be obsolete next month either.

Its like. . .remember that scene in American Graffitti?

KID: Toad! is that you behind the wheel of that beautiful car?
TOAD: yeah. ..
KID: What a waste of machinery. . .

jeff hammond

@solo said:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1141424

Maybe I need to be on a Mac.

lol
26 pages long.
that forum is nuts - especially when 'it feels like the right time' for a new product to be released.
i have the site bookmarked but generally only read the front page.

david_h

I knew I was throwing a firebomb by using the religion analogy. . .I don't think all Atheists are exclusively on macs. although that has a certain cache' . . .but I am sure there are folks like myself who just happen to be on a different OS platform . .. . Maybe there's a whole website dedicated to "Mormons on Macs" or whatever. . I dunno.

But back to the issue at hand. can we keep this about ME please. .. .???

jeff hammond

@unknownuser said:

But back to the issue at hand. can we keep this about ME please. .. .???

i thought pete already solved it?

http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=331557#p331557

anything else is just going to lead to confusion/indecision
buy!now!buy!

lapx

See this from Fletch....
I too am in the market for a new machine.
Hope this enlightens.

This is what I meant to link to...
EDIT:

Hi Lap!
A dual core is the equivalent of today's netbook... not a render machine.

Short answer: buy this! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227325&cm_re=core_i7-2600k--83-227-325--ProductA laptop is not a render beast - it's ok, but not a render machine. Still, corei7 laptop, while half the speed of a corei7 desktop, will still kick the stuffing out of your current machine.

Long answer...
You want as many cores and threads as possible and they need to be as fast and running as COOL as possible. So you need to start with a good motherboard and good processor.

The "best value" - that is - a great render machine for under $1000USD would include the 2600k Currently i7-2600k retails at around $314USD (at NewEgg as of end of May 2011) and runs at 3.4Ghz out of the box.

The i7 has 4 cores, but each core runs 2 threads (this is called hyperthreading) - so you are running now 8 threads on your rendering at 3.4Ghz out of the box - no clock tweaking required for under $300!

This is approx. twice as fast as the laptop version of the currently available i7 CPU.
This is also approximately 1.27x faster than the i7 920 stock speed of 2.66Ghz from 2-3 years ago. (which sold for about the same price at the time it was released)
This is also faster than the Core i7-980X Extreme 3.33GHz which is still retailing for over $1000.

Next - make sure it stays cool, and it will last years. So invest in a good - not cheap - cooling system. The NoctuaD14 is the best air cooler on the market at least it was 10 mths ago... and it's nice and quiet. Liquid cooling is not necessary, but is silent.

The 2600k can be overclocked very easily, and can be rendering at something like 4.2Ghz without much effort.

Make sure you get Good and Fast RAM - at least 6Gb in sticks of 2Gb each. (this will be ddr3 and 1600 min.)

A good and silent power supply like the Corsair 650w will be plenty for most any computer, and is over the required power so that it will run cool and quiet.

After that, everything else is gravy. A nice graphics card will be important - get a good one!

If budget is not a concern, and you're a mac person I saw this setup recently:
Quote:
Mac Pro. The spec is dual 6 core 2.93 Westmere Intel Xeon, 32 Gig RAM , 2 x 2Tbyte HD, 1 ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB GPU + 1 NVIDIA Quadro 4000.
I did not go for any SSD HD as they are way too expensive at moment. For rendering I will have 24 threads @ 2.93<Hz . It should be fast. Also CS5 will be accelerated with CUDA and any other software like Octane could use NVIDIA. Oh forgot to say I will have dual boot.

My computer is 2 years old, and is a corei7920. I paid $980 fully assembled with operating system, everything. (no monitor). I overclocked it easily to 3.62Ghz. So my computer is less than $1000, over 2 years old, and is still equal to half the speed of the Mac the guy lists above. It's also still faster than the out-of-the-box Sandy Bridge - so yes, I'd say it's a good value machine for the price.

My advice is NOT to go for the most expensive machine - because in 2-3 years you could buy a better machine that your "expensive" beast for less than half the price. For $1000 or $1500(top end) you can get a great value render machine that will keep up with most of the "pack" for the next 2 years. expecially if you overclock)

david_h

hey. . .I am all about confusion and indecision. ..

But I like to hear other viewpoints. .. .not about Macs, per se. . .but on most things.

david_h

LAPX . . .wow! didn't see your post. Thanks for that input. I will have to wrok hard to understand it, but My son in law speaks that language.

D

mitcorb

@Solo:
Do you do your own testing and optimization on systems you build? Just curious, as I am interested in a new computer, also. My concern would be if I configured a system from components with a mind to affordability vs. performance, how would I determine if picking some component will work well with some other component?
What about selection based on modeling program(s), rendering program(s), other productivity, specialized peripherals, stylus type applications, so on? Thanks.

lapx

No problem Dave,
I was hoping to get ideas as well. Thanks for opening the dicussion as its relavent for many of us who no little about the guts of these things today. Let us know what you come up with.

Thanks!

Dave R

Get one of these while you're at it.

david_h

Only 2000 Bucks. Thanks. I added that to the cart!

Dave R

You'd like it if you had it.

solo

I've always wanted one myself. but the $$$ was never available.

Dave R

Consider it a business expense. There's all sorts of stuff you can do with it. I make styles for SU, clean up images for materials for SU, do other photoshop type stuff and so on. It's even come in handy when I needed to sign a form and send it to someone.

solo

I'd looove one!! I got too much expenses right now with summer vacation a week away, bringing my parents to Dallas from South Africa for 6 weeks, summer camps for boys, repairs to almost everything, and slow work at this time of year.

Maybe next year.

david_h

Actually one of my collleagues uses one ...or something like that. It is totally in the reAlm of awesomeness. Yeah. .. Me too. Maybe next year.

Sorry Dave R . I didn't mean to sound like I was dissing your suggestion. Even though I act the class clown on this forum I am so appreciative of all the great suggestions and advice on my behalf.

notareal

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

Anybody else got their ideas? feel free to chime in.

iMac

The world’s best all-in-one desktop. Supercharged by M4 chip. Built for Apple Intelligence. With a 24-inch 4.5K display. Advanced camera and audio.

Apple (www.apple.com)

27" with the quad i7 3.4
$2200

Have to say, I have grown to like mac a little by little (I just play with i7 PC + MacPro). 27" iMac is pretty sweet. But perhaps I'd still would go with i7 based system. More cores, the better. One can build (or buy) fairly good box based on new Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge. Get at-least 8Gb of RAM. Solo had a good suggestion, but if it's to expensive... go with i7-2600K and ASUS Sabertooth P67 (you need get a separate quiet 50mm fan for the thermal armor or remove the armor) or Asus P8Z68-V Pro.

Bob James

@dave r said:

Consider it a business expense. There's all sorts of stuff you can do with it. I make styles for SU, clean up images for materials for SU, do other photoshop type stuff and so on. It's even come in handy when I needed to sign a form and send it to someone.

Not counting the Cintiq 21UX, does a pen/tablet provide any advantages in general SU work?