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    • C Offline
      clayc54
      last edited by

      here is the skp file. basically just dragged the tree component into a new file and changed some lighting. rendered in podium using exterior preview, nothing else. render attached.

      something weird is going on!

      maybe ive corrupted the component??


      render-tree.skp


      render-tree-opt.jpg

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        clayc54
        last edited by

        here is a render from one of Toms Desk Oak Trees in Podium (bottom image) and in light-up (top image). just dragged in. no changes.

        obviously im no expert renderer but something seems like its not working. leaves weird in podium, shadows weird in light-up. not sure what's going on.

        can someone advise as to what the easiest rendering software for 2.5d components?


        render-tree-oak-lightup.jpg


        render-tree-oak-podium.jpg

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          srx
          last edited by

          Twilight Kerkythea Thea

          www.saurus.rs

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            tomsdesk
            last edited by

            Okay, couldn't stand this sittin' out there any longer...so I spent the morning downloading demo renders and testing the model Clay posted (Edson, I'll find the trees you were using and do some podium tests on them later today...but I'd sure like to have a copy of the model with the trees you exploded to see how you did it):

            Clay's SU8 model was set with AA "on" and shadow settings set to "light 10" and "dark 8"...which I didn't change (appears a couple of the renderer's use SU's light settings by default, some don't...?).

            I rendered all with the software's out of the box settings...except for adjusting size to about the same height (podium's demo would only allow 500 max...?).

            First off, in all of these the render was unaffected by the "anti-alias textures" setting in SU8 (though the look in SU and direct 2D exports from SU are drastically affected...see below this post).

            Second, I didn't get anything like what you were getting, Clay (except that my LightUp shadows are tinted green too), and don't understand why your images are as they are...???


            AA off


            AA on

            http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
            2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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              tomsdesk
              last edited by

              TwilightRender


              AA off


              AA on

              http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
              2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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                tomsdesk
                last edited by

                LightUp


                AA off


                AA on

                http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
                2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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                  tomsdesk
                  last edited by

                  Podium


                  AA off


                  AA on

                  http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
                  2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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                    tomsdesk
                    last edited by

                    RenderIn


                    AA off


                    AA on

                    http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
                    2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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                      tomsdesk
                      last edited by

                      Kerkythea


                      AA off


                      AA on

                      http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
                      2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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                        tomsdesk
                        last edited by

                        So...that's all I know about rendering programs: anybody out there able to help Clay, that's some really weird and consistant render result!?!

                        Podium guys?

                        http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
                        2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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                        • EdsonE Offline
                          Edson
                          last edited by

                          tom,

                          I am sending you the file whose picture I posted above.


                          's Várias 2.skp

                          edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
                          http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                          • honoluludesktopH Offline
                            honoluludesktop
                            last edited by

                            Green shadows? Tom do your leaves have any degree of transparency? AdamB, is LightUp able to render colored light casting through colored (semi-transparent) glass?

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                              tomsdesk
                              last edited by

                              @honoluludesktop said:

                              Green shadows? Tom do your leaves have any degree of transparency?

                              Yes, the leaf-bunch pngs in the trees tested in LightUp are set at 98% to eliminate most of the "edge halo" in SU.

                              http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
                              2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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                                tomsdesk
                                last edited by

                                Well, Edson, I tried but I just couldn't reproduce your problem...looks to me like this is a question for the podium gurus.

                                I took a look around your model and you had indeed exploded the images just as I would have. Then I reopened the model just as you sent it and started rendering (limited by the demo size):

                                's Varias_podium2.jpg
                                's Varias_podium5.jpg
                                's Varias_podium3.jpg
                                Here's another view (podium first, twilight second):

                                's Várias 2_podium.jpg
                                's Várias 2_twilight.jpg
                                Here's another reinforcement for not using SU's AA textures:

                                AA on
                                AA off

                                http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
                                2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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                                • EdsonE Offline
                                  Edson
                                  last edited by

                                  tom,

                                  the whole thing is really weird. perhaps the problem shown in the second image I posted has to do with not having made each copy of the tree unique.

                                  are you using podium 1.7 or 2?

                                  I am patiently rendering each of your trees individually to see what happens. so far, no problems.

                                  edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
                                  http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                                    tomsdesk
                                    last edited by

                                    Edson...podium 1.7: I didn't see a demo for V2

                                    http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
                                    2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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                                      notareal
                                      last edited by

                                      From Thea... what I seen 2.5D trees usually work fine. Just export and render.


                                      render-tree.jpg

                                      Welcome to try [Thea Render](http://www.thearender.com/), Thea support | [kerkythea.net](http://www.kerkythea.net/) -team member

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                                        FilipAGuy
                                        last edited by

                                        Hello guys.

                                        I want to buy some of TOM´s tree packs, so I tryed to render samples posted
                                        on this forum with Podium V2 (2.02). And I got very similar results as Edson.

                                        rendered model as it comes
                                        rendered model in clay mode (no textures)

                                        Than I tryed to explode model. I exploded model completly, but wasnt working
                                        also. Only option which left was "unhide".

                                        rendered model exploded + unhide

                                        Only problem now is that model is not rotating anymore. I gonna try other samples.

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                                        • EdsonE Offline
                                          Edson
                                          last edited by

                                          perhaps you are exploding the images incorrectly. I suggest you go to tom's page at Solo's Place, scroll down the page and read his instructions.

                                          edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
                                          http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                                            tomsdesk
                                            last edited by

                                            These trees don't need exploding...looks like you have "rendering" set to "use AA textures"...?

                                            0renderingAAoff.jpg

                                            see here: http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=32842&p=295990#p292038

                                            http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
                                            2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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