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    • AdamBA Offline
      AdamB
      last edited by

      Its all interesting info you're digging up thomthom, but I wonder where you're going..

      Ruby is a scripting language that makes for very quick development, modern constructs and good readability. So you pay for that with execution performance. However, performance with a big P which may include how fast you can complete and deliver functionality may be better - but once again I do think you should play to Ruby's strength rather than perhaps bend it into something it isn't.

      By the time you've created local copies of state, rewritten everything using a compact form etc etc you end up with something that is less readable and probably more prone to bugs. And as you've discovered, there is a massive difference in performance between native code and Ruby - such a large gulf, you're never going to come even close to closing it.

      You should do heavy lifting with a C extension and GUI / API / semantic stuff with Ruby. Processing geometry topology with Ruby is, in general, not practical. Not that it can't be done..but that's not what I'm suggesting.

      Developer of LightUp Click for website

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      • thomthomT Offline
        thomthom
        last edited by

        @adamb said:

        Its all interesting info you're digging up thomthom, but I wonder where you're going..

        That was actually stuff I found out before I got around to do a C extension.
        Jumping from Ruby - or any other scripting language - C extensions is not an easy jump. If C isn't your cup of tea then it's worth knowing what saves time in Ruby. Most plugin writers here doesn't do C and have no interest in it either. Just making something that work - but still one can save noticeable time.

        What I found most interesting in those test was that Vertex is a valid argument where the manual claims only Point3d. And passing the Vertex is faster than Vertex.position.

        As for C extensions - it appear that there's a significant overhead of converting VALUEs to workable C types - so if you iterate only once over a set of data there isn't much to gain. Only if there's quite a bit more calculations.

        Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
        List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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        • AdamBA Offline
          AdamB
          last edited by

          @thomthom said:

          As for C extensions - it appear that there's a significant overhead of converting VALUEs to workable C types - so if you iterate only once over a set of data there isn't much to gain. Only if there's quite a bit more calculations.

          Not really. You asked the wrong question, so you perhaps got an answer that has misled you.

          You asked about converting Ruby arrays to C etc. And everything I said stands. However, sounds like you actually want a C extension that operates upon the Ruby structures. If you have a situation where you are just wanting to twiddle existing Ruby data from C, it is well worth doing even for 1 pass because the fixed costs are pretty much zero.

          Developer of LightUp Click for website

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          • thomthomT Offline
            thomthom
            last edited by

            I'm very green to this Ruby <-> C interaction - so its very likely I'm not doing thing the right way around.

            @adamb said:

            However, sounds like you actually want a C extension that operates upon the Ruby structures.

            What I have done so far is to calculate the soft selection for my Vertex Edit. So for each vertex in the selection set I needed to find the closest closest distance to any of the vertices not selected. It was the distance method that was so slow.
            I did some tests - created a dummy set of 3d data in C and calculated the soft selection for that. Very fast. But as soon as I made the source data set come from RUBY it became very slow. The C function was setting two sets of ruby arrays of vertices. Getting the X,Y,Z data for each vertex seemed to be very slow - converting Vertex to Point3d and then converting the X,Y,Z into C doubles.
            For every vertex in the selection I was iterating the remaining set of vertices and converting them.
            What I then did was to do a pre-pass of the non-selected vertices and create an C array of point3d structs. I then got a big speed increase. That's what lead me to the impression that converting Ruby VALUES to C types are expensive.

            Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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            • AdamBA Offline
              AdamB
              last edited by

              distance requires a square root of a scalar product. ie sqrt(A.B)

              Keep in mind that in native "cpu" math, A.B is perhaps ~5 cycles and sqrt(X) is perhaps ~35 cycles. If you don't actually need the squareroot but just need to find the closest, then just compare A.B which should be significantly faster.

              Developer of LightUp Click for website

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              • thomthomT Offline
                thomthom
                last edited by

                @adamb said:

                distance requires a square root of a scalar product. ie sqrt(A.B)

                Keep in mind that in native "cpu" math, A.B is perhaps ~5 cycles and sqrt(X) is perhaps ~35 cycles. If you don't actually need the squareroot but just need to find the closest, then just compare A.B which should be significantly faster.

                Yes - I was reading up on sqrt and found that to compare "longer" and "shorter" I didn't need sqrt. So I changed my code to only do the square root after I've found the shortest distance. That way it's called only once per vertex in Selection. (I needed the distance for some other calculations)

                Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                • C Offline
                  cjthompson
                  last edited by

                  @cjthompson said:

                  Has anyone looked into Enumerable.grep()? it seems pretty useful, but I don't know how fast it is.

                  well, since no one seems to be listening... 😢
                  I ran my own test (for: is using a for loop, grep: is using Enumerable.grep)
                  speedTest for: entities - 0.016 grep: entities - 0.015 for: entities array - 0.0 grep: entities array - 0.016 for: range - 0.219 grep: range - 0.203 for: range array - 0.219 grep: range array - 0.218 for: strings - 0.469 grep: strings - 0.234 nil

                  here is the code I used:

                  def speedTest
                  	entities = Sketchup.active_model.entities
                  	entitiesArray = entities.to_a
                  	range = 0..1000000
                  	rangeArray = range.to_a
                  	strings = range.collect{|number| number.to_s}
                  	
                  	## Entities
                  	
                  	results = []
                  	start = Time.now
                  	for ent in entities
                  		if(ent.class == Sketchup;;Edge)
                  			results << ent
                  		end
                  	end
                  	puts "for; entities - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                  	
                  	results = []
                  	start = Time.now
                  	results = entities.grep(Sketchup;;Edge)
                  	puts "grep; entities - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                  	
                  	## Entities array
                  	
                  	results = []
                  	start = Time.now
                  	for ent in entitiesArray
                  		if(ent.class == Sketchup;;Edge)
                  			results << ent
                  		end
                  	end
                  	puts "for; entities array - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                  	
                  	results = []
                  	start = Time.now
                  	results = entitiesArray.grep(Sketchup;;Edge)
                  	puts "grep; entities array - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                  	
                  	## Range
                  	
                  	results = []
                  	start = Time.now
                  	for num in range
                  		if(num == 318256)
                  			results << num
                  		end
                  	end
                  	puts "for; range - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                  	
                  	results = []
                  	start = Time.now
                  	results = range.grep(318256)
                  	puts "grep; range - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                  	
                  	## Range Array
                  	
                  	results = []
                  	start = Time.now
                  	for num in rangeArray
                  		if(num == 318256)
                  			results << num
                  		end
                  	end
                  	puts "for; range array - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                  	
                  	results = []
                  	start = Time.now
                  	results = rangeArray.grep(318256)
                  	puts "grep; range array - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                  	
                  	## Strings
                  	
                  	results = []
                  	start = Time.now
                  	for str in strings
                  		if(str.match(/312\Z/))
                  			results << str
                  		end
                  	end
                  	puts "for; strings - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                  	
                  	results = []
                  	start = Time.now
                  	results = range.grep(/312\Z/)
                  	puts "grep; strings - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                  	
                  end
                  

                  and the model I tested on:


                  test1k.skp

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                  • thomthomT Offline
                    thomthom
                    last edited by

                    I also read that depending on the settings of the compiler the instruction set used to compute sqrt and it's performance vary greatly. One of the articles I read suggested that many compilers will use old set of instructions by default for greater compatibility.
                    What do you do for your projects?

                    Edit: one of the articles I read: http://assemblyrequired.crashworks.org/2009/10/16/timing-square-root/

                    Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                    List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                    • P Offline
                      Pout
                      last edited by

                      concerning typename vs class:

                      For, till now, unexplained reason when i change typename with class the results are different
                      Script is a bit like this:

                      x=entity.class (or entity.typename)
                      if x=="Face"
                      do something
                      elsif x=="Group"
                      do something
                      elsif x=="ComponentInstance"
                      do something
                      else
                      end
                      

                      When the type is "ComponentInstance" the results are not the same for class and typename.
                      I need to check on this since the speed increase is huge

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                      • thomthomT Offline
                        thomthom
                        last edited by

                        .class returns a Class object - not a string.
                        What causes the slow down is the string comparison - that's what you want to avoid.

                        
                        x=entity.class
                        if x==Sketchup;;Face
                          do something
                        elsif x==Sketchup;;Group
                          do something
                        elsif x==Sketchup;;ComponentInstance
                          do something
                        else
                        end
                        
                        

                        or

                        
                        if entity.is_a?(Sketchup;;Face)
                          do something
                        elsif entity.is_a?(Sketchup;;Group)
                          do something
                        elsif entity.is_a?(Sketchup;;ComponentInstance)
                          do something
                        else
                        end
                        
                        

                        Update: fixed is_? to is_a?

                        Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                        List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                        • P Offline
                          Pout
                          last edited by

                          I'll check and let you know. When i use 'class' the correct conditions are entered but the result differs.
                          I'll keep you posted if it changes with your scripts.

                          Thx

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                          • P Offline
                            Pout
                            last edited by

                            all works, speeds increase is fine 😄
                            thx!

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                            • thomthomT Offline
                              thomthom
                              last edited by

                              👍

                              Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                              List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                              • K Offline
                                kwalkerman
                                last edited by

                                One thing I have noticed is that some code runs much slower with the outliner window open. Is there a way to close the window at the start of certain code execution, and then re-open it at the end?

                                --
                                Karen

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                                • Dan RathbunD Offline
                                  Dan Rathbun
                                  last edited by

                                  @kwalkerman said:

                                  One thing I have noticed is that some code runs much slower with the outliner window open. Is there a way to close the window at the start of certain code execution, and then re-open it at the end?

                                  Maybe...
                                  but have you tried using Model.start_operation ?

                                  see also abort_operation and commit_operation

                                  I'm not here much anymore.

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                                  • Dan RathbunD Offline
                                    Dan Rathbun
                                    last edited by

                                    UI.show_inspector "Outliner"
                                    toggles it.
                                    Shows it if it's closed
                                    Rolls it up if it's shown
                                    Unrolls it if it's rolled up

                                    There's no way with the API to tell (now) what state it is in.

                                    I'm not here much anymore.

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                                    • TIGT Offline
                                      TIG Moderator
                                      last edited by

                                      I think Jim made a Windows hack to toggle a rollup...

                                      ### toggleWindows.rb - based on Jim's ideas - only for Windows...
                                      ### 20090401 TIG
                                      ### needs "win32api.so"
                                      if [PLATFORM].grep(/mswin/)==[PLATFORM] and Sketchup.find_support_file("Win32API.so","Plugins/")
                                      ### = a Windows machine
                                        require 'Win32API.so'
                                        def toggleRollUp(name)
                                          findWindow = Win32API.new("user32.dll","FindWindow",['P','P'],'N')
                                          pw=findWindow.call(0,name)
                                          sendMessage = Win32API.new("user32.dll","SendMessage",['N','N','N','P'],'N')
                                          sendMessage.call(pw,0x00a1,2,"")#WM_NCLBUTTONDOWN
                                          sendMessage.call(pw,0x0202,0,"")#WM_LBUTTONUP
                                        end
                                        def isRolledUp(name)
                                          findWindow = Win32API.new("user32.dll","FindWindow",['P','P'],'N')
                                          getWindowRect= Win32API.new("user32.dll","GetWindowRect",['P','PP'],'N')
                                          pw=findWindow.call(0,name)
                                          data=Array.new.fill(0.chr,0..4*4).join
                                          getWindowRect.call(pw,data);
                                          rect=data.unpack("i*")
                                          #if window height is less than 90 then the window is rolledup
                                          return (rect[3]-rect[1])<90
                                        end
                                      end#if
                                      

                                      You add 'Outliner' to run it... test if rolled up, toggle roll up if not etc etc........

                                      TIG

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                                      • Dan RathbunD Offline
                                        Dan Rathbun
                                        last edited by

                                        its nice but...
                                        The windows have other language names in the loacalized versions.
                                        The code needs updating. It needs to search by ID instead.
                                        (Or have arrays of the Inspector captions in all the local versions.)

                                        It also should be in the SKX forum, either as a UI module extended method (which would be half done, as it's only Win32,) or a SKX::GUI::WIN method.. or something

                                        I'm not here much anymore.

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                                        • TIGT Offline
                                          TIG Moderator
                                          last edited by

                                          I only pass on Jim's hack... if you want to 'fix' it please do... It'd be better if the API had proper access to these anyway !

                                          TIG

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                                          • K Offline
                                            kwalkerman
                                            last edited by

                                            Dan, this is absolutely what I need. It is the updating of the UI that is slowing the calculation down. Having the outliner window open compounds the problem.

                                            --
                                            Karen

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