Bonzai 1.0 is released
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Isn't bonzai a solid modeler?
And the people who demo and develop bonzai always look like they hate their lives. Every expo I've ever been to (AIA and ASLA), they glare at me and talk down to me and they glare at eachother, and they glare at people who don't stop and talk to them. They have no excitement in their voice when they talk about their product. Seems like the whole thing is run by zombies. And thats a true story!
Whereas I've never met an unhappy Googler (except the on SU guy who quit/fired? and was pretty bitter and used to post SU hate posts on the forums, forgot his name though).
Chris
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It sure looks similar to SU, and it has one feature that I wish SU supported: NURBS
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@chris fullmer said:
Isn't bonzai a solid modeler?
And the people who demo and develop bonzai always look like they hate their lives. Every expo I've ever been to (AIA and ASLA), they glare at me and talk down to me and they glare at eachother, and they glare at people who don't stop and talk to them. They have no excitement in their voice when they talk about their product. Seems like the whole thing is run by zombies. And thats a true story!
Whereas I've never met an unhappy Googler (except the on SU guy who quit/fired? and was pretty bitter and used to post SU hate posts on the forums, forgot his name though).
Chris
Thats not the impression I got. I've been watching their forums for sometime now and they always were very quick to respond to issues or answer questions about their product. (granted it was the beta period, we'll see what happens next). The lack of fanfare for the release of their product has left me scratching my head wondering what's going on....
As far as who's developing it I don't care, zombies, vampires, wolfmen/wolfwomen, at least they are willing to talk to their customers. They show a lot more enthusiasm for their product than Google now does for SU.
Not trying to turn this into a rant. That silence doctrine of Google hits a nerve with me. Not nice Google.
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i have not tried bonzai 3D yet but i have watched some of their video tutorials: it is amazing how similar to SUp it is! of course, there are differences in the way it does things but it seems that all the main elements are there. sections look the same, with the difference that they are real sections (boolean) which i am not sure is better that what SUp has. there is even a palette called objects that does the same as SUp's outliner.
it would be great if someone from SCF who has already tested it could compare the two apps.
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My experience with it is limited but I was under the impression it was a solid modeler.
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The "funny" thing about Google's silence mandate is that they seem to break it all the time with other projects.... But they don't like the SU team to do it. Which is not nice.
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I've been wondering about the silence regarding SU's development myself. Apart from the fact that I dislike this approach, it really eats me that I just cannot work out why they've chosen to go about things this way. What's in it for Google? Not a rhetorical question: I am genuinely curious.
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The only benefit i can see in the silent approach is that it keeps your competitors in the dark as to your direction.
Other than that it just serves to piss off users, as far as i can tell.
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It eliminates the possibility of vaporware - if you never promise anything, than no one can be mad when you don't release something. Except that people do get mad because they might create unwarranted high expectations. Which I think is the case here.
But I would totally prefer to have leaks about possible new features, than to sit in the dark. Perhaps if they released more info, they could get feedback on whether people like the idea, before they put all the resources into something that people are not interested it?
Chris
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Must say I'm very impressed by some of the functions I've seen there, like thickness tool, boundery curves...
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yes, some of the features are really interesting.
however, bonzai seems to be another one of those closed apps that do not allow for any user input: the app is like it is and you take it or leave it. SUp, on the other hand, by virtue of the programming language it uses, allows the user to increase its capabilities enormously, even beyond what has been imagined by its creators.
and who knows the kind of support bonzai users will get in the future? with SUp there is a huge support base which is independent from google.
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I hope Bonzai3D's development will be lightning fast....preferably as a carbon copy of Sketchup but with all the things we need added.
Let's hope the major render engines jump on the Bonzai train and start producing render plugins for it.As Google is mute and deaf on development, I applaud all other SU-like development to become better as its example.
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How good is Bonsai on highpoly?
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@sepo said:
How good is Bonsai on highpoly?
Good question. I'd like to know that as well.
(But since Bonzai hasn't got render plugins yet, what is the chance you want to import an Xfrog tree or similar into your project....) -
It seems a strange way to release a program. There doesn't seem to be anywhere you can actually buy a version...or even any indication of how much it's going to cost. Of course you can always download the 30 demo and place an order...but who's going to invest much time in trialing it, much less order a copy when you've no idea of the price point. So how does this qualify as a 'release'?
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@alan fraser said:
It seems a strange way to release a program. There doesn't seem to be anywhere you can actually buy a version...or even any indication of how much it's going to cost. Of course you can always download the 30 demo and place an order...but who's going to invest much time in trialing it, much less order a copy when you've no idea of the price point. So how does this qualify as a 'release'?
http://www.bonzai3d.com/bonzai3d_homeN.html > Purchase > Click here to purchase direct from AutoDesSys. $499.00 + Shipping
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u can buy it online for $499.00
http://secure.ultracart.com/cgi-bin/UCEditor?merchantId=ADSFZ&ADD=B3D
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I hear you and agree with you that Bonzai isn't as intuitive as sketchup.
But competition is a good thing.
As in a marriage, if you can't find it at home.... -
@unknownuser said:
I agree it's not really productive for any of us 'community' people.
No, it isn't. And neither does it do wonders for Google's image. Then again, we Pro users possibly aren't Google's priority.
Oh well.@kwistenbiebel said:
I hear you and agree with you that Bonzai isn't as intuitive as sketchup.
But competition is a good thing.
As in a marriage, if you can't find it at home....Hmm ... I wouldn't go looking for 'it' over at Bonzai HQ. Not yet, that is.
Me, I'm not going to keep looking for an alternative to SU. Using SU alongside another 3D app (Modo, in my case) seems like a more productive route to me. I mean, yes, I want more polys and some additional tools, but do I really want to quit using SketchUp altogether? Mmm ... when push comes to shove? No.
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