Detect a Dimmension object without .typename

thomthom

Regarding this findings on the speed of .typename: http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=19576&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p162235

Is it possible to find out if an Entity is a DimensionLinear or DimensionRadial without using .typename?

remus

i remember jim mentioning duck typing, which looks something like this: if e.repspond_to? "some_method_unique_to_dimensions" then ...

ive never really tried it myself, though, so you'll probably have to do some fiddling to get it to work.

thomthom

Problem is that dimensions aren't exposed to the API...

remus

There goes that cunning plan then.

tbd

on a 100 lines each with a dimension

0.003


Sketchup.active_model.entities.reject {|x| x.class==Sketchup;;Drawingelement}

0.007 - 0.014


Sketchup.active_model.entities.reject {|x| x.typename=="DimensionLinear"}

AlexMozg

Сompromise decision, at the proper time to use both methods:


class Sketchup;;Entity
   def is_a_type?(t)
      t.is_a?(String) ? (self.typename == t) ; self.is_a?(t)
   end
end

Multiplying speed in ~1.5-2 times

thomthom

@unknownuser said:

on a 100 lines each with a dimension

0.003


> Sketchup.active_model.entities.reject {|x| x.class==Sketchup;;Drawingelement}
>

0.007 - 0.014


> Sketchup.active_model.entities.reject {|x| x.typename=="DimensionLinear"}
>

Problem is, DimensionRadial is also a Sketchup::Drawingelement.

What I'm doing now is do a entity.kind_of?(Sketchup::Drawingelement) && entity.typename == "DimensionLinear"
That way the slow type checking is only used when there's a potential it's a dimension object.

AdamB

..and you know for certain Ruby evaluates left to right?

thomthom

@adamb said:

..and you know for certain Ruby evaluates left to right?

erhh..? no... I just assumed it did. ..it doesn't?

thomthom

I actually thought all scripting/programming languages evaluated left to right. That short-circut logic as a fundamental design.

tbd

it evaluates left side, then right side and then the operation between.

here is an example:


1==1 && (p "me too";true)
=> true

so in your example you will not see any speed improvement

thomthom

I didn't understand that example. But I did a test:


def always_return_false
	puts 'call always_return_false'
	return false
end

def always_return_true
	puts 'call always_return_true'
	return true
end


def test1
	if always_return_false && always_return_false
		#...
	end
end

def test2
	if always_return_true && always_return_true
		#...
	end
end

When I run the code:


>> test1
call always_return_false
nil
>> test2
call always_return_true
call always_return_true
nil

In the first case when the first check returns false it doesn't trigger the second check. I can't understand anything else than .kind_of? would do the same.

tbd

my mistake, i was wrong. if left side is false the right side doesn't get evaluated

Jim

@unknownuser said:

if left side is false the right side doesn't get evaluated

This is my understanding also, but watch because the and operator is not the same as &&. I don't think and will shortcut.

thomthom

@jim said:

but watch because the and operator is not the same as &&. I don't think and will shortcut.

I did two more tests for this:


def test3
	if always_return_false and always_return_false
		#...
	end
end

def test4
	if always_return_true and always_return_true
		#...
	end
end

Results:


>> test3
call always_return_false
nil
>> test4
call always_return_true
call always_return_true
nil

thomthom

Found what the difference between and and && is:

@unknownuser said:

The binary "and" operator will return the logical conjunction of its two operands. It is the same as "&&" but with a lower precedence

AdamB

@thomthom said:

Found what the difference between and and && is:

@unknownuser said:

The binary "and" operator will return the logical conjunction of its two operands. It is the same as "&&" but with a lower precedence

Well that explains something that I've been bitten by a few times..

mask = mask or object.getmask

assigns mask to itself and ors with the results of object.getmask()!!

I end up having to do:

mask = (mask or object.getmask)

What kind of madman would introduce such an operator?

Actually the one that beats all for sheer insanity is ruby.h #define-ing fopen() to be something completely different calling some Ruby thing. What the!, Argggh...

I've got some harsh language for Mr.Ruby when/if I meet him.

Adam

thomthom

I think I've always used && and || so I've avoided such problems. But I have had unexpected behaviour when I used not instead of !. I used not some times simply because I thought it was the same thing - but not would read better.

Looking at the table of Operator Precedence I can see how it all fits together now. http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Ruby_Operator_Precedence

AdamB

Sure, it lists them out.

But I see absolutely no compelling reason to have "Logical AND" differing from "Logical composition" wrt precedence.

What is the 'use case' for the 2 forms? Does anyone know?

Adam

tbd

@adamb said:

What is the 'use case' for the 2 forms? Does anyone know?

maybe to play jokes like this :


myvar = true and false
=> false
myvar
=> true