2012
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@alan fraser said:
Simply maintaining that the Bible is true because it is; and that everything that contradicts it must be wrong, is no kind of argument. It’s not even Faith…just a dumb acceptance.
Aye.
@unknownuser said:
Stinkie wrote:
“I meant that the 'afterlife' will consist of either burial or cremation. The best you can hope for, is that parts of you will be recycled to help out others.”Is there a problem for you if those “others” will be undesirable beings or things?!
I'd still like to know what this means. In English, please.
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@unknownuser said:
Progressive technology doesn’t mean evolution...
Who said it did?
@unknownuser said:
I know enough all so called ‘advanced theories’
Apparently not enough.
Technology has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution; and evolution is not a 'so-called advanced theory', it's incontravertibly true. To deny it you might as well deny that the Earth is round. If you don't accept evolution then you don't accept modern medicine...they often rely on the same techniques. It's the choice between CAT scans and casting out demons.Simply maintaining that the Bible is true because it is; and that everything that contradicts it must be wrong, is no kind of argument. It’s not even Faith…just a dumb acceptance. If believing what you do helps you get through the day, that’s fine…for you. We all have strategies for dealing with life. That does not mean, however, that it’s fine for everyone else or that they are somehow too blind to see the ‘Truth’.
I also believe that large parts of the Bible are true. For instance, I believe that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed…but by natural catastrophe, not some vengeful god. I think the people who put that interpretation on it were history’s version of the spiteful, mean-minded, holier-than-thou types that labelled Aids as God’s revenge on the wicked. We still get ample evidence of the ignorant, superstitious and prejudiced interpreting ‘God’s will.’ There’s nothing to suggest that the same thing hasn’t happened throughout history.
There's a YouTube video of some mullahs arrogantly asserting that the Boxing Day tsunami was God's revenge on the unrighteous...flaunting their bodies on the beaches instead of presumably being at prayer. Same difference. -
Alan wrote,
“I believe that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed…but by natural catastrophe, not some vengeful god.”God has control above all Univers!
Not only Sodom and Gomorrah were punished…: the Flood, Land of Canaan (starting w/ Jericho…), Babylon, Nineveh, Tyre, Sidon, etc.
Others: Pompei, Herculaneum, Rome, Cartagine, Chicago, etc.
God has control of wars, pandemics, tsunamis, earthquake, fires, accidents and so on…Re. “evolution”:
Our progress is for ‘stomach’…, and is based on advanced technology…!
Much more important are our spirits, and we don’t know what the spirit is - we are confounding the spirit w/ the soul… Shame of us!Behold an example of devolution:
“And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper…
and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.” (Romans 1:28,32)Cornel
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Has anyone else noticed Cornel doesn't like to answer questions?
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Modelhead wrote,
“ If there is an all powerful being he will have witnessed my life and he will want me on his team anyway..”God’s evaluations are different than ours…!
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)
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@unknownuser said:
Stinkie wrote:
“I meant that the 'afterlife' will consist of either burial or cremation. The best you can hope for, is that parts of you will be recycled to help out others.”Is there a problem for you if those “others” will be undesirable beings or things?!
I'd still like to know what this means. In English, please.[/quote]
Please.
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@unknownuser said:
- The Bible is concise and very explicative.
If that's the case how come every denomination, sect, or accumulation of worshippers feel the need to interpret it their own way?
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Stinkie wrote,
“Has anyone else noticed Cornel doesn't like to answer questions?”- The Bible is concise and very explicative.
- English is my 5th language – I’m learning it!
- I am busy…
The answer for your above question is pending - be patient, please!
Cornel
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Pete,
For them, first place is occupied by COMPROMISES: superficial or partial studies, tradition, superstitions, personal ambitions, business, politics, etc. -
@unknownuser said:
Pete,
For them, first place is occupied by COMPROMISES: superficial or partial studies, tradition, superstitions, personal ambitions, business, politics, etc.That's the entire history of organised religion right there. It's certainly true of the Christian church and the early years of Islam were also far more concerned with political and physical in-fighting than the words of the Qu'ran
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Yes, “God is still good” ...:
“… He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Matthew 5:45)
…until the Judgement day.
Cornel
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Interesting topic. Too bad it has devolved from a movie critique, but I'll put in my $.02 anyway. If there is a God, it's my opinion that what we have been given is pretty simple: Here's your life, here's a planet, here are your bretheren; I've told you not to screw them up, but it's up to you what you actually do.
Otherwise - your life is scripted. There's nothing you can do. God wants entire continents to suffer war, starvation, and disease, not to mention you will likely die a painful or slow, debilitating death (cancer, heart attack, alzheimers, etc...), not peacefully in your sleep. For what reason? Not to mention that the Christian version of religion does not encompass much more than 1/3 of the world.
So, where does that leave us? More than 60% of the world is not getting a Christian afterlife, pretty much no matter what. If you are a Christian and born to a bad environment such as a war torn country or a "3rd world" nation where you will suffer disease, starvation, and deprivation until you die, what chance were you given? Your life was scripted suffering? What about wars done in the name of religion, is God truly on one side an not the other?
Some people have said it better than I can:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” — Epicurus
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ”. - Mahatma Gandhi
I find there are no absolutes in this life, least of all a book of subjective and shifting interpretation written by the hand of fallible men, and called absolute only by fanatics bent on condemning all those around them solely based on the opinion that they are right. This life would be closer to "heaven" if there were no religions, it would remove a major cause of hate and war.
JMO.
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JMO and others, bravos!
You are ‘above’ God, like Luciferus. The Creator must be your servant…!?At first we have to be ‘nearby’ God to know Him, not to know about Him, from ‘far’ distance!
Who is He, what are His wills, plans and ways, modalities to fulfill them, etc.???
Is our spirit communicating w/ God?! Are we in peace w/ Him?!JMO, wrote: “your life is scripted. There's nothing you can do.”
Wrong! Entire Bible has examples, presented as if…; if…; if…JMO, wrote: “Christian version of religion does not encompass much more than 1/3 of the world.”
Wrong! The Bible is presented inclusive ‘underground’, not only official, not only visible on the table.
The Bible is on the radio, it’s on-line on the Internet…, not only in churches, hotels, libraries or homes.Cornel
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Cornel, I'm not sure you have noticed or maybe it's not apparent to you as your views are so dogmatic and fundamental but your replies here have resulted in many others countering them with very interesting and well thought out responses. Your intentions may be virtuous and maybe even with a christian purpose and intent, but the result is quite the opposite.
I'm not saying this debate has swayed anyone to join either side but it does show a serious lack of evidence, logic, reasoning and substance from your side. I do respect you for your consistency in your beliefs regardless how ridiculous they may seem to me, and for returning even when the general conception and opinion is very opposite to yours and sometimes bordering on belligerence.
I must say that your responses which are merely excerpts from the bible are not helping your case, in fact if anything they are hurting your cause. As mentioned many times, one cannot use the bible to prove the bible.
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@unknownuser said:
JMO and others, bravos!
You are ‘above’ God, like Luciferus. The Creator must be your servant…!?There you go, being judgemental again. As Solo says, you are harming your own case.
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Judging is fine, as long as one admits that once you "judge" you are open to judgment - as per the scripture Cornel doggedly quotes.
Cornel, I'm not sure how you got that I thought I was "above" anything - but then I'm not sure I understand exactly what it is you were trying to say. I'll consider that there may be allowances in scripture for "ifs", but that doesn't jive with what you seem to be saying about there being a big plan for everything. As far as your comment about "1/3 of the world", I don't understand what you are saying. It is a fact that the rest of the world outside of Christianity is not Christian that means they believe in no god, or entirely different god and might even have a completely different idea on how to get to their afterlife (if they have one) than you do. They don't care what is on the radio, TV or in the hotel nightstand. They have no reason to believe that their religion, or lack thereof, is inferior to your belief system; and considering that there are around 66% more of them than Christians, who is to say they aren't right?
This conversation seems to be more about "who" is right rather than "what" is right for you. Your belief system is better and more right than anyone else's. The lack of tolerance, understanding and compromise are the cause of more hate and war on this rock, especially in the name of religion, than anything else. I don't think you'll convert anyone here, Cornel, especially with the intolerant and judgmental views you seem to be presenting here. There has to be room for us all.
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JMO wrote: “who” is right?
The Word of God is right! The Scripture is self-explanatory and almost everybody has access to study the Bible.
As for me, I’m an independent believer... Everyone is (i)responsible for himself/herself, for there is one God, and only one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Cornel
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@unknownuser said:
JMO wrote: “who” is right?
The Word of God is right! The Scripture is self-explanatory and almost everybody has access to study the Bible.
As for me, I’m an independent believer... Everyone is (i)responsible for himself/herself, for there is one God, and only one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Cornel
I see no rebuttals to the opinions I posted in response to your thoughts, you've answered nothing. This is not a discussion, but is just your posting dogmatic responses to all comers. I'm stepping out, there appears to be little or no room for anyone's thoughts or beliefs here but your own.
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@unknownuser said:
The Word of God is right! The Scripture is self-explanatory and almost everybody has access to study the Bible.
You are kidding now.
Firstly "the word of God"? I heard nothing, man wrote that collection of drivel, how can you in all honestly believe it's the word of God?
And yes we can all study the bible and have, which is how we came to the conclusion that it's drivel. A little known fact is by percentages more Atheists have studied the bible than proclaimed christians. -
You know, Cornel, there are many reading this thread that would call themselves Christians. They are good people, living good lives. They treat their faith as a private concern and do their best to accommodate the views of others…sometimes even if those views or beliefs are not quite as benevolent as their own. They probably were half tempted to chime in on the side of the Good Book, but your blinkered and dogmatic approach makes that virtually impossible. Frankly, you’re the kind of adherent that gives Christianity a bad name. Even the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury…between them representing the majority of Christians…have no problem at all with evolution and Darwinism.
This was a discussion about a rather over-the-top movie. It was you that dragged it into a religious fist fight…yet again…with your incessant Bible quotations on page 3.
It would seem that you don’t even belong to any recognised branch of the church but have merely read the Bible and drawn your own conclusions. I’m happy that you have found fulfilment, but please stop trying to ram those conclusions down our throats at every conceivable opportunity…however inappropriate.If English really is your 5th language and you have trouble communicating clearly, please do us all a favour and go and proselytise somewhere else in your native tongue. You’re spreading way too much bad karma….which totally defeats any message you are trying to get across.
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