Obama is a BIG hit over here in Europe!
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@unknownuser said:
@rickw said:
Had it been McCain instead of Obama
you're wasting your energy by concentrating on how bad obama is for you or how good mccain would've been.. they are both the same..
You missed the point. I wasn't saying McCain would have been better, I was saying the libs' reaction to McCain would have been more pronounced had he done what Obama is doing.
@idahoj said:
And let's not forget the topic of this thread: Our European brethren, for the most part, like Obama. Even if it doesn't "fix all the problems" immediately, at least it "opens a door" again for US European foreign relations instead of having it "slammed shut" like it was with Bush...
We have many allies that have been alienated over the past 8 years, but Obama's not the only one who could have helped restore those relationships. It's great if he does, but improving relations doesn't excuse poor domestic policy.
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@rickw said:
@unknownuser said:
@rickw said:
Had it been McCain instead of Obama
you're wasting your energy by concentrating on how bad obama is for you or how good mccain would've been.. they are both the same..
@unknownuser said:
You missed the point. I wasn't saying McCain would have been better, I was saying the libs' reaction to McCain would have been more pronounced had he done what Obama is doing.
oh, ok.. my bad.
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Lets play the 'what if' for a moment....
What if Sarah palin and her grandad won, I would have loved to see her on a visit to the queen, America would have cringed!
I'd be curious what she would be able to see from Buckingham palace however.
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@idahoj said:
So, Obama is a "Bad Guy" because he is taking steps to solve the greatest financial crisis seen in America since the Great Depression. Wow.
Yeah, and Adolf took steps to solve Germany's financial crisis. He succeeded in not only improving Germany's economy, but reinvigorating some national pride that had been lost. Unfortunately, things got a bit worse after that.
Now, before someone flips out from reading too much into my comment, I'm not saying Obama is Hitler. I'm saying an ideologue will take advantage of a bad situation to further his agenda. The most cunning power grabs begin with "legitimacy", then move away from legitimacy using a crisis as justification. You complained about Bush doing that, yet you gave Obama a pass - that's called a double-standard.
No, we have no cause to be proud of that.
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@unknownuser said:
I'm saying an ideologue will take advantage of a bad situation to further his agenda
Kinda like using 9/11 to invade Iraq?
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@solo said:
I'd be curious what she would be able to see from Buckingham palace however.
Oh, come on, Pete - surely you're smarter than to confuse a line from SNL with what Palin actually said.
@solo said:
@unknownuser said:
I'm saying an ideologue will take advantage of a bad situation to further his agenda
Kinda like using 9/11 to invade Iraq?
Did you miss the part about where I said he complained about Bush doing that?
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No, but i thought it needed another mention.
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@rickw said:
I'm saying an ideologue will take advantage of a bad situation to further his agenda.
Counting on it and wishing him well...he'd better hurry, though, most of us can't hold out much longer.
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@unknownuser said:
Now, before someone flips out from reading too much into my comment, I'm not saying Obama is Hitler. I'm saying an ideologue will take advantage of a bad situation to further his agenda.
Yeah, you could have just as easily said "Cheney"...
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As an outside observer, I find it hard to reconcile these two contributions:-
@unknownuser said:
You missed the point. I wasn't saying McCain would have been better, I was saying the libs' reaction to McCain would have been more pronounced had he done what Obama is doing.
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@unknownuser said:
he's the most divisive president in the last 30 years.
Surely the point of the apparent polarization over Obama’s policies is a sign that the political right is much less willing to meet any other opinion even half-way than is the political left….hence they are generally the more partisan of the two.
If you actually look at the individual approval rating you will notice that the two lowest approvals (26% and 27%) are both Republican…by a very substantial margin, suggesting that Republicans are far less tolerant of any policies other than their own than are Democrats. It also seems to be the case that when a Republican president is in office the Democratic rating is usually within 10 or 20% of the Independent whilst the Republican approval goes stratospheric...suggesting the same thing.
(Places big wooden spoon back on shelf)
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