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    • L 離線
      linea
      最後由 編輯

      SU, particularly SU7 seems to be crashing more than I ever remember it doing in the past. It is getting a bit embarassing at work as I convinced everybody to use it in the first place. So my questions are these:

      Could it be that having SU6 and SU7 installed on the same system causes problems?
      What do you need to do to make Sketchup (in it's current state without Google making some improvements) as stable as possible?

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      • thomthomT 離線
        thomthom
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        I'm not sure. I've found SU7 to be much more stable than SU6. Though, I've heard that Mac users seem to have experienced issues. But I see you're using Vista?

        In any case, Google just release an update to SketchUp which addresses a few issues: http://sketchup.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=141303
        You might want to see if your experience changes after updating.

        Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
        List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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        • L 離線
          linea
          最後由 編輯

          Yes just instaled that, maybe it will make some difference. As you say, yes I run Vista, perhaps xp is better.

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          • thomthomT 離線
            thomthom
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            @linea said:

            Yes just instaled that, maybe it will make some difference. As you say, yes I run Vista, perhaps xp is better.

            I use XP at work. At home I've been using Vista 32bit since it was released. Currently I'm using Windows 7 Beta 64bit and I've not noticed any problems with SU7 which seem to stem from using any particular OS.

            It might be a graphic card driver issue? At work I use an nVidia Quadro FX 3500 and at home a nVidia GeForce 8800GT, with recent drivers. What's your setup?

            Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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            • L 離線
              linea
              最後由 編輯

              No, work machines(xp) and my own laptop(vista) are well specced machines. But when working with big models everything becomes too slow. Is it a case of clearing everything off my laptop other than SU? (I won't be doing this). Also, does having lots of rubies installed slow SU down?

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              • thomthomT 離線
                thomthom
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                I got lots of ruby's installed, and I haven't experienced any notable slow downs.

                Clearing everything of your computer other than SU; if you means in terms of uninstalling programs and freeing space, then no. That won't help. Not unless you're running out of hard disk space.
                It will help though to close down other running applications. Check what starts up with your computer as lots of software has a bad tendency to add "speed boosters" and auto updaters.

                It's inevitable that SU slows down with larger models. But there are ways to make it easier to work with larger models.
                Turn on Shadows
                Turn of all edge styles (they have nearly as much impact as shadows)
                Turn off textures while you work.
                Purge purge purge

                I often have a Scene set up with a special modelling style which disables textures and line effects and also had shadows turned of. Then I have another style for my views which I use only when I export images out from SU.

                Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                • L 離線
                  linea
                  最後由 編輯

                  Thom

                  I think you mean turn off shadows 😄 Thanks for the help, I already do all of these things though. I can live with it.

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                  • X 離線
                    xrok1
                    最後由 編輯

                    i think SU7 is way more unstable. i think if i use for an hour i'll get probably two crashes, but it does seem to crash mostly when i'm using podium so it could be either?

                    “There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.”

                    http://www.Twilightrender.com try it!

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                    • thomthomT 離線
                      thomthom
                      最後由 編輯

                      @linea said:

                      Thom

                      I think you mean turn off shadows 😄 Thanks for the help, I already do all of these things though. I can live with it.

                      Yes... 😳 I'm putting the blame on my fever...

                      Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                      List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                      • thomthomT 離線
                        thomthom
                        最後由 編輯

                        @xrok1 said:

                        i think SU7 is way more unstable. i think if i use for an hour i'll get probably two crashes, but it does seem to crash mostly when i'm using podium so it could be either?

                        Could be. But I'm wondering if it could be hardware related. What graphic card do you have? And do you have the latest drivers?
                        It could be that you repeatedly are hitting some bug that makes SU crash. There's lots of software where some people never notices any bugs while other do simply due to workflow. For example: I had V-Ray for Sketchup constantly crash on me, and I seemed pretty lonely in having the problem. There was a few others, but the majority had no problems. What it came down to was that I didn't use the Colour Wheel in the SU Material editor.

                        Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                        List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                        • Chris FullmerC 離線
                          Chris Fullmer
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                          I agree, SU7 has been just as stable as 6 for me. And a few things have been better, and it runs overall faster. It has not crashed on me yet (except for a mistakes I've made while learning to program in ruby 😳 ). I'd have to guess its something more than just SU that is causing the problems,

                          Chris

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                          • GaieusG 離線
                            Gaieus
                            最後由 編輯

                            SU 7 has only crashed on me when I was trying to expose it to extensive testing and "torturing" - often with some faulty files and6or modelling work-flow examples (mostly provided by others) that intentionally lead to crashes.

                            After all, it's not a big deal to create invalid geometry in SU and from then you never know what will happen to the file; SU fixes it or not, crashes or not...

                            Gai...

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                            • daleD 離線
                              dale
                              最後由 編輯

                              @gaieus said:

                              After all, it's not a big deal to create invalid geometry in SU and from then you never know what will happen to the file; SU fixes it or not, crashes or not...

                              Where I come from we call that "Garbage in, Garbage out"
                              I have been ranting away about problems in another thread called: Export from Su7 to Su 6 (Solved?)
                              Sorry but I can't figure out how to link it 😳
                              Just one question: Are you importing files from other Cad software, or modeling from scratch?

                              Just monkeying around....like Monsanto

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                              • X 離線
                                xrok1
                                最後由 編輯

                                @thomthom said:

                                @xrok1 said:

                                i think SU7 is way more unstable. i think if i use for an hour i'll get probably two crashes, but it does seem to crash mostly when i'm using podium so it could be either?

                                Could be. But I'm wondering if it could be hardware related. What graphic card do you have? And do you have the latest drivers?
                                It could be that you repeatedly are hitting some bug that makes SU crash. There's lots of software where some people never notices any bugs while other do simply due to workflow. For example: I had V-Ray for Sketchup constantly crash on me, and I seemed pretty lonely in having the problem. There was a few others, but the majority had no problems. What it came down to was that I didn't use the Colour Wheel in the SU Material editor.

                                nvidia 8600gt
                                i do keep my drivers up to date, and i've been using the same machine for close to 2 years now, mostly with SU6 without the same problems. i might go back to 6.4 for a while just for comparison.

                                “There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.”

                                http://www.Twilightrender.com try it!

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                                • GaieusG 離線
                                  Gaieus
                                  最後由 編輯

                                  @dale said:

                                  I have been ranting away about problems in another thread called: Export from Su7 to Su 6 (Solved?)
                                  Sorry but I can't figure out how to link it 😳

                                  Yes, I know that topic.

                                  @unknownuser said:

                                  Just one question: Are you importing files from other Cad software, or modeling from scratch?

                                  You don't need to import anything to create invalid geometry.

                                  ScreenShot021.png
                                  Try yourself with this file


                                  InvalidGeometry.skp

                                  Gai...

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                                  • H 離線
                                    hebrides
                                    最後由 編輯

                                    I find that GE and SU7 are having a struggle working together.
                                    I have tried the upgrade but got this:warning.jpg
                                    That put a quick end to the adventure.

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                                    • thomthomT 離線
                                      thomthom
                                      最後由 編輯

                                      @hebrides said:

                                      I find that GE and SU7 are having a struggle working together.
                                      I have tried the upgrade but got this:[attachment=0:1muxkouc]<!-- ia0 -->warning.jpg<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:1muxkouc]
                                      That put a quick end to the adventure.

                                      Seems you have downloaded the free version while you have Pro installed.

                                      Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                      List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                      • GaieusG 離線
                                        Gaieus
                                        最後由 編輯

                                        Even then, it shouldn't cause a problem.

                                        Gai...

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                                        • thomthomT 離線
                                          thomthom
                                          最後由 編輯

                                          That's what the message seem to indicate though...

                                          Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                          List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                          • H 離線
                                            hebrides
                                            最後由 編輯

                                            Yes I have pro 6 and there is no way I am going to remove it to install free SU7. To many hints from others re licencing issues. Haven't got the patience to deal with the muddle over re-installing pro-6.

                                            I'll just wait until I'm ready to buy pro7.

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