Mac v Win
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@xrok1 said:
@remus said:
another thing, i'll only say this once (again), if OSX or whatever its called had to handle 15000 (modestly) different hardware manufacturers pumping out all kinds of junk peripherals with crap drivers like microsoft does..... KABOOM!!!! NO MORE STABILITY. its amazing that windows runs at all if you think about it.
This is a VERY good point. Although I don't think MS feels responsible for every piece of hardware--the hardware makers have to match their work to the OS or not be able to sell it. Mac's also can be loaded with after-market hardware, they just control what goes in beforehand.
When MacOS was licensed to other computer makers, I think it gave Apple a kick in the a$$. There was some good stuff happening. Some of it was not seen again for a while. Then Jobs came back and the licensing ceased (I know not in which order), but that seems to have been the right choice for Apple.
In either platform the integration with peripherals and soft has been largely solved. On my Mac I just plug printers and devices in and they work. Sometimes I have to load drivers. New and old (some very old) software usually works. I think it's the same with Windows, compared with the past.
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@mike lucey said:
But Apple don't have that business approach. They work within their means and provide a good service. They don't want to take over the world just make it better for those willing to buy their products.
They did go down that road for a while but saw sense in good time, thankfully
Wow, a corporation with a conscience, thats a new approch.
(cough! bullshit!) I think people give apple too much credit and fall for they're advertising. i call it greed (AKA sony betamax) they have both ends of the market, software and hardware. I bet any shareholder out there including 'Jobs' would trade there apple stocks for Microsoft stocks without blinking. Microsoft is simply more progressive and innovative period. there's really no disputing it. i think bashing Microsoft is just a hobby for some people and we should consider that most of us would never have even owned a computer if it wasn't for the PC. -
Its a pity microsoft cant produce any products people really want to use while theyre being 'innovative' and 'progressive'.
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xrok1,
One needs a reasonable understanding of a subject before you can debate it. Calling another's thoughts 'bullshit' does not cut it.
Mike (my REAL name
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This will never be resolved. Play nice.
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just as i was getting ready for a good arguement
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I recently just tried to clone my laptop HD with windows Vista so I can put a bigger drive in it. It turns out to be so much a pain in the ass that I ended just installing the new HD. On Mac it took SuperDuper something like 2 hours to clone the drive and I stuck it in and no sweat... Partitioning in Windows Vista is the same story. I really hope windows 7 sort things out.
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I also hope it does also for the sake of Windows users that are stuck with this OS.
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I have both. I love the new I-MAC. It looks great. I set it to dual boot, which now defaults to XP.
I also bought the new mac key board and mouse for my PC. (LOL)I love the drag and drop interface of the MAC. Not many PC applications have even heard of this feature, yet. But, If you visit the MAC forum, I see they have problems similar to PC users.
I run simply to many applications that are PC based that I can't afford to give up. In the mean time the I-MAC just sits there looking pretty
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I too have an Imac, pretty thing actually, works great, all neat and clean except for desktop that seems to be the default place everything land on and can look clustered very fast. Anyhow, I hate SU on Mac, and well that's about all that works on Mac that I need for work, so the Mac is my oversized Ipod, great for streaming movies, watching youtube junk and for the kids to play with garage band. For the serious work I need a PC, preferably with XP and all my apps that make my living.
I really do like Mac's they are well built solid machines, but with only about 10% of market share they do not command the software support they would need for the masses to follow.
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I wish I could switch over to Bootcamp with 'click' instead of having to shut down first. Parallels and others don't run the graphics card at full power as far as I can see so they are not much use for the Win software that need to use on occasion.
There are reports that Mac running under Bootcamp can get more mpg than PCs.
http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.24/24.02/VirtualizationBenchmark/Of course a €15 USB Keyboard is useful also
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Our Macbook just had its harddrive fail.
It is being replaced on warranty. So much for reliable Apple hardware. Over the years (since the late 1980's) we've always had macs & pc's. In general the macs have been less reliable...I'm bummed out.
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Sorry to hear that Ross. However I think this is not the case in general.
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You know, Ross, that's because you live on an island and the dealers therefore think you are pirates to whom they can sell any cr@p.
BTW - long time no see. How's winter over there?
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Csaba, cut that out and leave poor Ross alone
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@mike lucey said:
xrok1,
One needs a reasonable understanding of a subject before you can debate it. Calling another's thoughts 'bullshit' does not cut it.
Mike (my REAL name
)i wasn't calling your thoughts bullshit anymore than you're calling me stupid, i was saying that corporate America having a "conscience" is bullshit. but i guess if you believe that.....
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Guys,
I recently did a quick comparison between a 17" Dell Precision M6400 and the New 17" MacBook Pro cost wise. The following is how it panned out.
Dell Precision M6400 Covet Mobile Workstation
2.4 Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB,1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM
1920x1200 17in Back-Lit Display
200GB SATA Hard Drive
8X DVD+/-RW Drive Slot Load with Optical Media Included
512MB NVIDIA Quadro FX2700M€ 2,499
MacBook Pro 17"
2.66 Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
1920 x 1200 Glossy Widescreen Display
320GB Drive
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M + 9600M GT with 512MB
Built-in 8-hour battery
AppleCare Protection Plan for MacBook Pro (w/or w/o Display)€2,344
I also advise that more than likely the Dell would be worth €500ish after 2 years (id possible to sell) whereas the Mac could be worth in the region of €1,000 and probably a lot easier to sell to graphic / design students.
I think the demonstrates that Macs are not expensive when compared fairly.
Mike
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did you compare the value of being able to run 10x more apps. on the PC? Sorry, I couldn't resist, OK i'm done now. Can we move on to a less controversial discussion about religion or politics now? LOL
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xrok1,
I like nothing better than a good old debate. I can hit low at times but dont't take any notice.
On the matter of there being x10 the number of application available for PCs, I agree with you, there are. However I honestly feel that Mac Apps are of a higher quality. So its a matter of 'never mind the width, feel the quality!'
But again I can run all of these Win apps on the Mac under Bootcamp and probably faster than I can on a PC.
Ckeck!
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