I thought this building was cool...
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dear chango,
this is a looooog discussion, one that i have had with sepo a long time ago in this very forum. it confronts two ways of seeing architecture which, by their very nature, can hardly agree on any matter.
let me just say one camp has the looks of the building as its main goal, the other sees appearance as the result of a long process of adjustment to a series of circumstances and constraints.
regards.
p.s.: i shall be away for a couple of days so do not take my silence as disrespect.
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@edson said:
dear chango,
this is a looooog discussion, one that i have had with sepo a long time ago in this very forum. it confronts two ways of seeing architecture which, by their very nature, can hardly agree on any matter.
let me just say one camp has the looks of the building as its main goal, the other sees appearance as the result of a long process of adjustment to a series of circumstances and constraints.
regards.
p.s.: i shall be away for a couple of days so do not take my silence as disrespect.
Surely that rests on if her buildings are functionally poor performers. Whilst there are certain evidence of that being the case I feel i'll have to go see for myself so I am reserving judgement. Perhaps I will have a more informed opinion after my visit in March.
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visiting a building beats knowing it from pictures, that is for sure. looking forward to your opinion after the visit.
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@chango70 said:
I will have an opportunity to visit the Phæno Science Centre in Wolfsburg, Germany in March.
chango70 you twicked my interest,
and I found this unflattering photo.I have seen a lot of badly cast architectural concrete. This one certainly tops my list.
I have pictures I took of Unité d'Habitation in 1979 which showed how concrete
exposed to the elements has behaved, which up to that time was 30 years.
Those pictures don't look as bad as this recently completed oversized proctology device.
At least Le Corbusier had some understanding of casting exposed concrete.
Why don't these technical issues ever get discussed in Architectural Schools?You can't cast exposed concrete monolithically without considering the following:
- one needs to consider the type of formwork one is using.
- one needs to know that each joint in the formwork provides a source for leakage while the concrete is setting.
- one needs to know where to place the form ties.
There are many many more issues, and I don't intend this short observation to become a lecture on the technical issues involved in casting exposed concrete.
Hence it appears to me that none of this seems to have registered with this Architect.
I'm also curious, when you come back, please tell us what that windowless interior space at the pointy end is being used for?
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Thats the naughy corner for all those Zaha detractors.
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@chango70 said:
Surely that rests on if her buildings are functionally poor performers.
Actually I don't think so. This goes to the heart of what people think constitutes 'architecture'. If you look at some of Anthony Caro's work url[/url], you can see that the boundaries between architecture and sculpture are a little blurred.
This tricky little issue is often skimmed over by use of the word 'architectonic', which seems to me to mean purely the sculptural qualities of architecture.
I personally think that there is more to architecture than some cool-looking shapes. Even when they give rise to some really interesting spaces, I wonder how much these are due to accident rather than design.
There are lots of different interpretations as to what architecture is. If you take the most basic definition as a structure designed and constructed for habitation by people. In these terms, Hadid creates striking architecture. If on the other hand you consider elements like culture, function, context and creation of space (among other things) as being essential constituents of architecture, Hadid is little more than a flashy sculptor.
This neatly brings me back to the reason I posted the links to Hadid's work. Regardless of what you think of her work in terms of 'Architecture', they are undeniably 'cool buildings'.
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Well put Jim....you are talking my language.
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Hear hear.
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