Why vote Obama?
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I have to quote again that jewish bohemian,
@unknownuser said:
Cabala and Barack Obama
The intricate system of the Cabala uncovering ethereal connections resulting in sudden, obscure illumination is limitless in its scope since creation is constant and without end, but certain happenings are clearly embedded in the fiber of life for all to seeālike Barack Obama. After enduring Bush and Dick for eight years we are now blessed with the expectation of Barack Obama.It is through the name that the soul is conveyed into the body; throughout numerous incarnations the soul remains the same, but the body changes therefore requiring another nameāsame soul different body. The determination combining body and soul is hidden within the bosom of the Creator, but some names hint to the purpose of the person.
Barack in Hebrew means: to draw down; the entomology of the word Barack is in the word Braikim/Knees because it is the bending of the knees which draws the head down to the earth; and how water runs downhill, another use for the word Barack. The attributions of the name Barack are one of humility and subservience; Obama, on the other hand, is a high place where the leader stands to address the people.
Who is Barack Obama? He is the person, as indicated through his name, properly fit to represent our country in our true color-diversity. The strength of America is not in her numbers or her wealth, but in her ability to accommodate all strains of human beings living together beneath the one roof of the United States.
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@unknownuser said:
Barack Obama and 2012
The next four years in the presidency of America will have a direct effect on the year 2012; America is compose of peoples from around the globe and though settled by white Christians, America has emerged as an entity inclusive of the human race in her entirety. The next president will preside over 2012.There has always been a religious aspect to the presidencyāall, but JFK were Protestant. Religion has come to play a large part in American politics and to have a president without strong religious ties could help facilitate change. But, it must not be forgotten that religion also has an agenda that coincides with a timetable, like the Mayan calendar ending on 2012.
Also, the ancient Hebrew calendar which still has a couple of hundred years left before it ends, conjuncts at 2012 with the historic integer, 5772 regarded as a significant number with cabalistic ramification pertaining to the conclusion of a cycle in which Rome plays a major part. According to the Jewish mystics Rome was to have 2000 years of ruler ship over the earthāRomeās time has expired; the state-church government having reached that juncture, conquering the world going undefeated just as prophesized. Included in these prophesies is the notification that the last king of Rome will be known by the Irom/Naked because of embarrassment. Bush in Hebrew means embarrassment.
Rome was fathered by Esau, twin brother of Yaakov father of the Jewish People. Esau had established 12 tribes which ultimately became the force which took land from the ancient Etruscans and built Rome; Yaakov established the 12 tribes of Yisroel on the promised a land; Ishmael uncle to the two twins also fathered 12 tribes which became the Arab People populating the Middle East. These three forces are about to collide into what is hoped by the Evangelical Christians as Armageddonāthe destruction of the Jewish People and the subsequent subjugation of the world by the cross.
The Mayan calendar foresaw a galactic cycle that for the purposes of the earth ends in 2012āthe last year of the next presidentās term. In these coming years for the safety of the earth the human being must learn to look beyond politics; the world has been led to the edge of the cliff, but we can change direction for the safety of the world.
For two hundred years America has been led by an errant vision full of death and destruction; presently young people have been herded into a mercenary military to fight wars which never needed to be fought. America has become rich and arrogant through these excesses. The next president will stop the war, isolating Israel among angry neighbors as the prophets said: in that day the nations of the world will surround Israel like 70 wolves. That day is very close to 2012.
There is a cataclysmic force coming to the earth that will bring about world peace, the number 5772 provides a huge window for this event, but the enemy is not finished fighting they still plan to stage their own eventāArmegedon. It will be good to have a president who can see the difference between truth and dogma.
from Dovid Krafchow
it is all poetry
it is all good
it is all hopewhat else ?
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Pete, do you know who said this?
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Why vote for someone that says this:
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Clueless!!
Who said that? It was McCains choice of VP or president if indeed he does not make the next four years, in essence he said it as he runs his campaign.
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No, no!! Do you know who said "From those according to their ability; to those, according to their need"?
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Karl Marx
You are still living in the days of 'Red scare", you need a McCarthy not a McCain my friend.
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How things backfire, first the Neocons use the word 'Liberal' to scare the masses, then everyone is a 'terrorist' now it's 'socialist' what's next 'racist' or 'communist'?
repeating a name over and over actually desensitizes it and the people are bored with all this right wing name calling, It won't stick.
McCain also signed onto the bailout .... is he too a socialist now?
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Dear Ron,
Are you endorsing that statement, or posting it as a warning?
If by 'need' is meant a living wage and equal opportunities with access to good health care, then it sounds about right to me.
I have noted a number of postings railing about paying taxes. Generally, and in almost any country you can name, the rich pay a lower percentage of their gross income than the average wage earner. Just think of all those tax lawyers helping the rich figure out new and novel ways to ease their tax burden.
As John Dunn once famously wrote 'No man is an island', and the prosperity of our communities 'as a whole' add to our own prosperity by way of better job opportunities, lower crime rates etc. How taxes are used is more a political issue and so remains, to a small degree, the choice of the electorate. I tend to favour the Swedish model of taxation and care in the community over the American model of 'winner takes all', which is sadly epitomised by the remuneration of Leyman Brothers'Chief Executive Richard S. Fuld Jr over the past seven years (somewhere in the region of 480 million USD).
Kind regards,
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If McCain pushes this 'socialist' rhetoric too hard he may just end up being the Sheriff of Nottingham and Obama end up looking like Robin Hood.
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Bob, as I said in an earlier post, the quote from Karl Marx defines Obama's tax plan. Nearly half of the 95% Obama says will benefit from his tax plan don't even pay taxes! This is socialism and I oppose it vehemently.
Pete, I said before how disappointed I am that McCain voted for the bailout. And, yes, his vote does display a socialistic tendency and this why I will not vote for him. After all my huffing and puffing against Obama, I do have significant issues with McCain. However, my general political leanings are more aligned with McCain than Obama.
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Well if the state end up owning some banks than Bush will be first socialist president US had... To be honest there is nothing wrong with state helping unfortunate ones....Scandinavians made descent model out of it. Healthcare for everyone even when not run prefectly (like our NHS in UK) is more desirable than none...In UK on both side of the house (or rather 3 sides) they all agree that strong NHS is something which all of us want here. Also I believe that top guys should pay more. Some of them pay less taxes than me and that is not right when they make like millions. Selfishness is not way forward for the humankind.
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@sepo said:
Selfishness is not way forward for the humankind.
I agree wholeheartedly with El Sid.
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Dear Ron,
Socialism doesn't have to follow an extreme model, such as post-war Chinese communism. The concepts of socialism are no different from the precepts of most religions, and specifically Christianity, so why does the word socialism raise your hackles? For example: 'Do as you would be done by', is a good socialist concept. To my mind, and relating to employment, it means paying a man/woman a decent hourly rate for their labour. This is evidently not the case for many developed countries as those on the lower rungs of society's prosperity ladder will testify.
I think we need to agree to disagree.
Kind regards,
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OBAMA HOOD
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I hope the republicans who are spouting hateful "anti-American" retoric are prepared for the backlash coming. Here is a congresswoman from my own state who is implying that there are democrats who are anti-American and the media should investigate this. In my opinion this has gone too far. If you don't agree with some republicans you are a leftist, socialist, terrorist, anti-American... this hate-speak has got to stop. This only feeds and empowers the radical fringe who will use it as mental justification for violence.
http://www.dccc.org/page/content/bachmannvideo1/
here is what Colin Powell had to say about this topic
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seems to me the rich and powerful are doing anything they can to hold on to power.
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What's scary is she actually believes the crap she says.
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@watkins said:
Dear Ron,
Socialism doesn't have to follow an extreme model, such as post-war Chinese communism. The concepts of socialism are no different from the precepts of most religions, and specifically Christianity, so why does the word socialism raise your hackles? For example: 'Do as you would be done by', is a good socialist concept. To my mind, and relating to employment, it means paying a man/woman a decent hourly rate for their labour. This is evidently not the case for many developed countries as those on the lower rungs of society's prosperity ladder will testify.
I think we need to agree to disagree.
Kind regards,
BobBob, I live my life by the Golden Rule you mention: "Do unto other as you would have then do unto you." I don't see this as socialism, but more of a moral guideline. A way to live one's life. If this means you give money to the beggar on the street, fine. Or to donate your time/money to a charity. Or to be just plain friendly. The entire world could benefit from this moral tenent.
A decent wage is important and necessary for any society to allow it's citizens to progress up the economic ladder. Most low wage earners are transient. They don't stay at this level of earning for very long. The desire to improve oneself motivates one to seek other endeavors, to improve their lot in life. I believe this is easier to accomplish under a capitalistic system than a socialistic system specifically because of the relative tax rates. What would motivate anyone to pursue earning more money if the tax rate is 75% (as in Stinkie's example in another post)?
Look at how much money the US government pisses away each and every year. We could afford a national health care system under our current tax rate plan.
I think we can almost agree to agree.
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Dear Ron,
Nicely put. I would write more, but its time for bed and I have work and taxes to pay tomorrow.
Kind regards,
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@sepo said:
Well if the state end up owning some banks than Bush will be first socialist president US had... To be honest there is nothing wrong with state helping unfortunate ones....Scandinavians made descent model out of it. Healthcare for everyone even when not run prefectly (like our NHS in UK) is more desirable than none...In UK on both side of the house (or rather 3 sides) they all agree that strong NHS is something which all of us want here. Also I believe that top guys should pay more. Some of them pay less taxes than me and that is not right when they make like millions. Selfishness is not way forward for the humankind.
How true it is that Bush will be known as the first republican president to tend toward socialism! The US does as good a job of helping the unfortunate as any other country in the world, national health care notwithstanding.
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Ron
I have to say having political conversations with you is pleasant. I think the world would be a better place if we could all discuss political issues in a civil manner.
Look at how much money the US government pisses away each and every year. We could afford a national health care system under our current tax rate plan.<<<
10 billion a month in Iraq could go a long way towards a national health care system.
I agree with you that a socialist society my be a dis-incentive to improving your current economic situation. I used to work at a gas-station convenience store. People would come in and use a 1 dollar food stamp to buy a 3 Cent piece of gum to get the 97 cents of real change. They would do this several times until they had enough change to buy a pack of cigarettes, Then they would do it again and again until they had enough money for a six pack of beer. They would do this while they had three children in tow who looked like they could use a square meal. I think the welfare system back then was broken. I'm not aware of what system is in place today but I would agree with your assessment that there are undesirable aspects to a socialistic society. I'm sure there are undesirable aspects to any form of society.
Anyway It's nice to have pleasant and enlightening conversations with people that disagree with you. I hope the next few weeks that this philosophy wins and the dirty sleazy politics subsides.
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