Time to put this to rest...

bellwells

Ron forgive me if indeed i'm wrong here, but for a person that defended himself so adamantly of not being a racist after the scandalous image posting you are very quick to claim the race card now.

Huh? Not following the logic here, Pete. I'm saying it's very, very likely Powell is endorsing Obama because he is black. The reverse Bradley effect.

bellwells

@tomsdesk said:

Boy, that was easy...just dismiss him as a liar and a racist, then: "I win!"

whoa

Sound familiar. does it?

tomsdesk

bellwells

Say, what's with all the sophomoric little symbols anyway? Just say what you mean.

tomsdesk

Sound familiar:

"Bradley endured a number of racially-inspired campaign attacks, highlighting his ethnic-racial identity, similar to those used against Obama. That is, Bradley, similarly to other black political candidates, by virtue of his or her ethnic (racial) identification, was sometimes accused of being unpatriotic, disruptive or even an enemy of the state.
Sadly, equating a black political candidate with anti-Americanism, or terrorist violence, is a tried and tested campaign strategy. In Bradley's first mayoral campaign in 1969, his political opponent, the late Sam Yorty, successfully charged that he maintained political associations with militant blacks who had instigated urban riots, as well as with former communist sympathizers. As a result, Bradley was defeated."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1222017567413&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

I really hope the RNC plays the "reverse Bradley" card as fast as you did, Ron...the following news cycles will be a hoot to watch!

bellwells

Forget the Bradley effect. I'll say it again: I was suggesting that Powell endorsed Obama because of his race. Now, why is that such a hard concept to grasp, huh? There are millions of black voters doing PRECISELY the same thing.

How is this any different that some white voter not voting for Obama because he is black? Aren't they both somewhat racist?

tomsdesk

@bellwells said:

Forget the Bradley effect...

@bellwells said:

...There are millions of black voters doing PRECISELY the same thing...

God! I hope you're right!!! (Even though your saying it without facts is so wrong.)

solo

Ron wrote:

@unknownuser said:

most blacks are voting for Obama because he's black

Nope, most blacks will vote for Obama because historically they vote democrat and Obama happens to be one, if he was running as a republican I doubt he would have the majority black vote.

bellwells

Tom, do you really need facts to come to the conclusion that most blacks are voting for Obama because he's ? Edit

bellwells

No question blacks vote democratic. But I'll bet Obama race has energized them to a point where we'll see a much higher percentage of blacks voting than in previous elections. It would be interesting to see the results if the republicans ran a black. Maybe some day we'll find out.

solo

Almost did in 1996, as Powell was contemplating it. I believe that he would have been very close if he had run.

I do agree the 'black' vote is a factor as the Obama campaign has energized them and made an effort to infiltrate the grass roots and motivate them to get involved. Another factor now is the hate speech is working in Obama's favor as now they have an added reason to go out and vote against such people.

tomsdesk

@bellwells said:

Tom, do you really need facts to come to the conclusion that most blacks are voting for Obama because he's :fro: ? Edit

I think you the need facts to make your statement seem anything but racist.

bellwells

@tomsdesk said:

@bellwells said:

Tom, do you really need facts to come to the conclusion that most blacks are voting for Obama because he's ? Edit

I think you the need facts to make your statement seem anything but racist.

Huh? There's that word again.

tomsdesk

Fine, Ron, you don't think you sound like a racist...frankly, I don't care if you sound like one. Besides, there are more important things to talk about now...like Obama being a bunch closer to becoming president than he was just yesterday.

bellwells

Well, I guess there's no accounting for good old common sense. And yes, things are looking good for your guy, but the pollsters have been wrong before.

tomsdesk

Geez, Ron, give it a rest...I'll bet if you applied a little common sense, you'll agree these statements:

"...forget what he says. I bet his endorsement is ALL raced based..."
"...There are millions of black voters doing PRECISELY the same thing..."

are entirely different in tenor and meaning than this one:

"...No question blacks vote democratic. But I'll bet Obama race has energized them to a point where we'll see a much higher percentage of blacks voting than in previous elections..."

With this last one I would agree...and pray it is true!

solo

Ron, using your train of thought now that Powell is supporting Obama because he is black does that mean lieberman is supporting McCain beacause he is white? ABSURD!

bellwells

I don't think my premise is absurd; it may be wrong, though.

solo

I mean't the lieberman one is absurd as we all know warmongers stick together, however the Powell one is wrong IMO.

bellwells

I now hear that Powell may have a place in Obama's administration, if there is to be one.

Barack: Hey, thanks for the endorsement, General.
Powell: No problem, did it sound good? I tried to use big words and everything.