I Believe (to address the complaints of last week)
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@unknownuser said:
The blind arrogance of religion, creating this distinction fosters separation...discord....prejudice. You characterize all christian based religion with this simple statement...
@unknownuser said:
Animal kingdom is without spirits…
Religion is the scourge of the earth. The sooner the multitude of immaculately conceived, man-made gods are exposed as just interesting fiction (I believe the last time they were counted there where 14 of them....no Jesus has no exclusive claim to this phenomena)...........the sooner the earth will begin to heal itself.
Cornel, I'm sorry to offend you but you are not part of the solution ...you are the problem.
Start living on earth!! Stop claiming to be a god, because surely you do by suggesting you are more important than a mouse.Interesting, I find your comments to be full of separation, discord, prejudice and hate.
Perhaps it is moral superiority that is a negative force on this earth. Feeling as if one is better than their peers is what is evil. Getting over these feelings is what was at the heart of Christ's teachings. Not mice and men, not telling others you are better than them. Humility and kindness, understanding and compassion. We are all on this earth together. Its ok to have different opinions and ideas from other people. But its not ok to impose ones moral self righteousness on others. If you want someone to believe as you do, be an example of what you believe. Talk about what you believe. Share your beliefs openly. But don't start off by saying you hate them and they are wrong, so they need to change immediately.
Just my thoughts. this is always an interesting conversation when it comes up. BTW, why did it come up? What were the complaints of last week?
Chris
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Chris, i ithnk the complaints of last week were that there isnt enough in depth a interesting conversation going on in the corner bar.
To answer the OP, i beleive people should aim to have fun in whatever they do, but not at the detrement of others.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, mr. Fullmer, but isn't a certain sense of moral superiority at the very core of every religion? Don't get me wrong here, I agree with you on the "we're all in it together" thing.
I think Bruce was thinking of fundamentalism. That one indeed is a scourge. Can't "meet in the middle" with fundamentalists.
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why do you think so stinkie ?
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@tomsdesk said:
Also, everyone: isn't it a very narrow view of Christianity that disallows the acceptance of Evolution? ?
Tom - really important issue you've raised there. The liberal Christian church has been tying itself in knots trying to incorporate evolution into its belief system. I don't see how they can:
Christians believe that the Bible is the word of God; the Bible clearly states that the earth, and all life upon it was created in seven days. Evolution contradicts this completely, as does the geological record. The two are utterly incompatible, and cannot both be correct. For my part I prefer to 'believe' the unequivocal and ever-growing evidence that science continues to reveal, rather than the obscure teachings from two millenia ago.Andy.
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@juanv.soler said:
why do you think so stinkie ?
About meeting in the middle with fundamentalists? (Mind you, I'm thinking not only of religious fundamentalists.) Well, because they're the compromising kind, now are they? Their way is the way of the sword, not the one of debate.
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NO, I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHY YOU THINK mODELHEAD ´S THOUGHTS WERE FUNDAMENTALISTIC
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I used to believe in Father Christmas, but he died in Dedham, 30th May 1564. I've seen his death certificate.
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lol. I don't think he's a fundamentalist. Just a tad worried, I guess. As am I.
From where I'm standing, it looks like fundamentalism
is on the rise. My guess is Bruce sees it happening too.Need I add that by "fundamentalism", I don't mean your average religiousness (is that a word?). I find religion utterly bizarre, but I am convinced most religious folk have no desire to, say, attack abortion clinics. Hey! I'm a hardcore atheist, but you're not gonna see me hurling molotow cocktails at churches or mosques.
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fantastic Alan
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Mr. S,
do you think it was worth losing a friend over? -
hi Stinkie,
you say : ...Hey! I'm a hardcore atheist...
but you cant avoid the good software -
Guess I shouldn't apologize for mincing words (since it is a pretty big theme here today :`) so I won't: Isn't there a big difference in meaning between "Christianity" and "Christian Church Doctrine"?
It is my understanding that the former is the belief that Jesus was the Christ son of God who is the only path to redemption and salvation. The later is a set of sect beliefs agreed to by a group of Christians...often thought of by said same as the only way to be a true Christian.
(Answering Andy...though lost my place pretty fast: wow this is heating up nicely :`)
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I can't find episode 2 of Dawkins on Darwin, but the concluding part is here for the next couple of days. It includes a nice interview with the philosopher Dan Dennet.
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Hi cheffrey,
He was actually my best friend at that time.
And it still saddens me today that our friendship was broken over this.
However, if you believe something to be true you should not be afraid to say so.
Obviously, if I could have had this discussion and kept his friendship I would have preferred that.
Would I still have acted as I did knowing the outcome?
Yes. Sometimes the price is just too high to not say what you truly believe.What saddens me even more is that in todays politically correct climate most people are terrified of discussing "controversial" issues honestly. They don't want to lose friends, family or sometimes even their careers for holding unpopular views.
"To a human lemming, the logic behind an opinion doesn't count as much as the power and popularity behind an opinion"
Captain AHM RamsayRegards
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Tom,
you say :
the former is the belief that Jesus was the Christ son of God who is the only path to redemption and salvation,
I say : until then comes the corán and explains that Jesus is not the son of ***? because *** has no sons.
and suddenly the light appears againyou say :
The later is a set of sect beliefs agreed to by a group of Christians...often thought of by said same as the only way to be a true Christian.Isn't there a big difference in meaning between "Christianity" and "Christian Church Doctrine"?
I say : no, there are no diferences really
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Alan,
I have found it is nearly always a complete waste of time trying to have a rational debate with religious types.
You are faced with the difficulty of discussing issues with someone who has "faith".
When discussing anything you are forever confronted with obscure quotes from their chosen "faith" book.
Logic, reason and evidence mean nothing to them.I did, however, once have a very long discussion with a close friend (he insisted, because of my non-belief) and after many, many hours of long debate he had to agree that religion was nonsense.
The end result? He lost his belief in Christianity. And I lost a good friend.
I know he blamed me for taking way something that he regarded as important in his life.
Ironically, as an ex-christian he couldn't forgive me for for that.I am an atheist, and despite this unfortunate experience, I am delighted that Richard Dawkins has at long last managed to challenge just some of the many absurdities of religion. This is not just some abstract argument to be won on an intellectual level. Religion impacts on all our lives on so many levels. I truly believe that the day mankind can break away from all these silly superstitious beliefs the world will be a better place.
Regards
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HI ALAN,
there is a something in that link that cannot be healed¡¡¡¡ -
that is scaring modelhead
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I have to strongly disagree, Juan...I've talked to a lot of different makes and models of Christians over the years trying to resolve my true beliefs with my childhood tutelage: never met two who believed the same across the board (more often not much beyond my point).
(Red D.) Cheffey: beautiful!
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