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I predict that man will cease drilling for oil before it is depleated. This global oil price hike is going to prove to be a good thing in the long run (as much as it pains us right now) as everyone is effected and everyone is now seriously seeking solutions.
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Oh boy....
Let me try explain without stooping to your level of insult. (or not)
Firstly we need to get our facts straight, one would think a person of your assumed status would have a divine understanding of the situation without showing prejudices.
The high oil prices are the result of many factors and believe it or not the "A-RABS" as you so condescendingly refer to are not part of the problem.
- Soaring demand from nations like China and India
In 1986, China consumed 2 million barrels of oil per day (com pared with about 16 million barrels per day in the United States at the time.) By 2006, China was consuming more than 7.4 million barrels per day, according to the U.S. , and rising. In April 2008, reported that China’s oil consumption had jumped another 2.5% over a year earlier.
In India, oil consumption has risen from just over 1 million barrels per day in 1990 to 2.63 million barrels per day today. And let’s not forget the United States, which consumes more than a quarter of the world’s combined energy products. Energy demand is growing there, too, despite an economic slowdown in 2008, to 20.63 million barrels of oil per day in April 2008, compared with 19.6 million barrels per day in 2000.Worldwide, year-to-year demand for oil has increased by over 1 million barrels per day on average every year since 1991. The increase was especially steep in 1999 (when demand increased by 1.7 million barrels) 2004 (2.6 million) and 2007 (1.7 million).
- Commodity futures trading
The speculation problem A new report released last month by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations concludes that market speculation has played a role in the rise of oil and gas prices. It points a finger not only at commodity funds and hedge funds, but also at large institutional investors such as pension funds and mutual funds, which have become major participants in the energy markets over the past several years.The investigation found that an estimated $60 billion has poured into regulated U.S. oil futures markets in the past few years. While this sounds like a lot (and it certainly is), the amount that has gone into non-regulated exchanges overseas is inestimable. Therein lies the problem.
The Commodity Futures Trading Commission oversees all futures trading on U.S. markets, and it's constantly monitoring the positions of large speculators. However, the CFTC has no jurisdiction over exchanges that are outside the U.S. or in the murky over-the-counter market where billions of dollars of contracts are traded all the time. This leaves the oil markets subject to price manipulation or price distortion as a result of speculative money flows that cannot be regulated or monitored. One excerpt from the Senate's report reads as follows:
As an increasing number of U.S. energy trades [occur] on unregulated, OTC electronic exchanges or through foreign exchanges, the CFTC's large trading reporting system becomes less and less accurate, the trading data becomes less and less useful, and its market oversight program becomes less comprehensive.... A trader may take a position on an unregulated electronic exchange or on a foreign exchange that is either in addition to or opposite from the positions the trader has taken on the NYMEX, and thereby avoid and distort the large trader reporting system. Not only can the CFTC be misled by these trading practices, but these trading practices could render the CFTC weekly publication of energy market trading data, intended to be used by the public, as incomplete and misleading.
-Production capacity
It used to be that whe n oil markets got tight, either because of economic or political reasons, big oil-producing nations like Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iraq and even the United States could pump more oil to stabilize supplies.
No longer. On average, the world’s spare oil-production capacity was just under 3 million barrels of oil per day in the 1990s. It peaked at near 6 million barrels in 2002. But it has plummeted since then to 1.5 million barrels of oil per day or less. That’s almost insignificant in real terms. Excess capacity that small can be wiped out by a sudden, minor political crisis—and has been, as in May 2004, when terrorist on oil facilities in Saudi Arabia and Iraq drove the price of oil to $40 a barrel. The price hasn’t stopped rising. The partial closing of a BP Alaskan oil field in 2006 also caused a price spike.Saudi oil officials were claiming just a few years ago that they could pump as much as 15 million barrels per day. But that’s a myth. For the last several years, Saudi Arabia's capacity to pump oil has been stuck between 10 and 11 million barrels a day.
A little help is on the way. In 2009, Saudi Arabia will be able to add an additional 1.2 million barrels a day to world supplies, thanks to the development of , a 1,116-square mile field almost as large as Rhode Island in the east-central part of the country. That’s good news—for a while. The Khurais oil field is Saudi Arabia’s last of the giant-producing fields it can develop. There is one other big field it will develop, the so-called Manifa field off-shore in the Persian Gulf, but oil there is much harder to reach and will be more expensive to produce.
Things will get marginally better in the near future, but never a good as we here in the USA had it when the rest of the world needed to find solutions and downsize to fuel efficient cars in the eighties. I live in 'Yea-ha-ville' (Texas) and many dogmatic neocons share your view, it's easier to point a finger at the Islamic nations than think.
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Solo
You really think we will ever stop drilling for oil???
Dude. Nicely put I have never heard anything so stupid. Perhaps you should expand on your basis for this hopeful statement?The fact is that yes we are all now aware that energy price is just now starting to come in line with our lack of supply. What once was a price meant to stimulate use is now a price that is structured to not price out the market and to maintain it. Which is why that we still see a viable solution in increased production supported by expanded exploration of the same fossil fuel system. Oil companies are only now admitting to the fact that the price of gas is both based on supply as well as what the market will bare. There once was a day where the cop out was... "Hey it is not us doing this it is OPEC." BS. What was really being put out was, it's the crazy A-RABS.
The Ayatollah
Kadaffi
Sadam
Saudi arabia
etc...Like what Big tobacco knew back in the day. Once hooked it's done. Shroud the addiction in glamor and now you have the model of what Pablo Escobar created. A criminal enterprise, loosely accepted by the masses. On a smaller individual scale. Products spring up Redbull like products are the classic example those who use them will pay just the right amount to keep using them. They have got you. They make no apologies about their profitability their cost and surely are glossing over any affect of underage use or long term affect. Drug dealers have always known that the first one is free. As in oils case one long term affect would be running out of the stuff after we have become so dependent. When this day comes the only thing left to change is a moot point. What then will change is everything. Any individual who has truly battled an addiction will tell you how painful it is. The recovery is the death of many. Death confronts you for some for the first time. What do you feel the outcome will be once the world is forced to come to terms with it's massive addiction? Bedlam, Anarchy, Marshall law, internments, The death blow of the middle class. "country folk will survive."
As Solo I feel feels.
Disguise our addiction behind a "green" happy do good movement what you get is the classic enabler. Or worse for us just another one of the sheep who subscribe to the hype.GOON
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and back on topic...
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I interpreted the topic to be about new/very efficient ways of producing power.
@unknownuser said:
By the way what you start here does not make it yours.
Of course not, and im sorry if my comment gave you that impression. I was merely trying to stop the thread descending in to an argument that i dont think is very related to the original topic.
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@remus said:
and back on topic...
What topic you are referring to Remus. Is'nt the topic energy?
By the way, what you start here does not make it yours to attempt to control.
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@unknownuser said:
it's the crazy A-RABS.
Hmmm, I wonder where I got that from.
There is a subtle difference between blame and reason, above are reasons and you are right about it being too late for blame.
As far as contradictions go, I made a prediction and not a statement another subtle difference you fail to understand.
I am sure you have heard the term 'cause and effect' right? well my prediction is based on just that. Right now we are in a high oil price predicament which is effecting food prices, services, heating and cooling costs, etc. What do we do?, well we do as we always have done, we find solutions.
Like during the low points of wars last century we developed nuclear power, radar, microwave technology out of arguable necessity we today are again in a situation that needs our greatest minds to overcome, and if you have been watching there are many micro and major things on the horizon that will lead to the end of our fossil fuel dependancies. Maybe not tomorrow or even next year, but I do believe we will find a solution that both eliminates our need for non renewable forms of fuels and also reduces our carbon footprint, call me an optimist or an idiot, I believe it can and will be achieved.Todays more efficient cars are not a solution, but by god it's a step in the right direction.
If I had the solution there would be no need for this prediction, as it would then have been a statement ... geddit?@unknownuser said:
The fact is how do you stop a tsumami?
First we spell it correctly, then we learn about it and how it's caused. having one happen recently also puts it in the forefront of our minds and gives huge international attention to such an occurrence, which in term gets well funded and many very smart people tackle the issue (similar to our oil price issue)
Once we realize that only God (you) can actually stop one and you probably would not, we concentrate on how we can best predict one and get a warning out as soon as possible to reduce the loss of life in future.
Like we have spent millions on tornado and hurricane warning systems so will tsunami warnings be one day.Remus, I am sorry if I jacked your topic.
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Boy oh Boy there sure is allot of data up there Solo.
Firstly if you read my statement about the oil producing countries I blame not them. My finger is not pointed at them at all. I blame more the manufactured public perception. That same public perception written by those who supplied you with the mumbo jumbo you so willingly hold up as some kind of proof. Blame for me is really not the right term for it. It is a little late to play the Blame Game. Your ramblings above seem to contradict your earlier sentence on Oil exploration stopping on fine day. Developing fuel efficient cars now is really just deferring the problem to coming generations. What is the solution? That is a question? The fact is how do you stop a tsumami?Horay. I feel so much better now that you say "help is on the way". Solo is from Texas there are allot of herds in them parts. Get along little doggie Mahhhhhhhheh.
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solo, its not my topic by any means! i just thought it general good manners to try and stick to the topic originally proposed.
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Did I make a typo Professor Plumb? Tsunami T S U N A M I Tsunami.
If I used the word Tsunami as metaphor for a force greater that humanity can control I apologize for intending my statement to be literally taken. In your case I will slow down. Substitute tsunami for an Earth orbit Commit. Would you still be in favor of an early warning system? What would you accomplish with that? Bedlam, Panic, hysteria. Interesting but doubtful. Now we are really off topic. But to tie it all together in my way of understanding.
All the buzz words, data and infrastructure are just a human solution. What gives you so much hope in humanity on such a grand scale. Our accomplishments? Compare those with others and what you will see is that all of our accomplishments are nothing compareitvly speaking In this particular case this particular event (dependance on fossil fuel) I feel as in all cases will sort its self out in her own way. Interaction from humans just makes the problem worse. By prolonging it. What is is and what will be, can be seen if you just open your eyes and listen to silence. All of your "Great minds" are nursery rhymes. By the way could you name one in our time? A great mind. You want a prediction? I bet you quickly can't. I hope for your case I am wrong.
But I can.
Goon
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Back to topic, sorry for getting into a dead ended rant (as a debate is not possible with some folk).
This topic reminds me of a thread Mike Lucey started the other day, regarding 'Surge technology', I did a quick search and found this:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Surge_Motor_Technology_by_Troy_Reed
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@unknownuser said:
Can you name for me a great mind of today
@solo said:
Mike Lucey,
Mayor Mike
Right on topic with his interests
Nice pullGOD
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@frederik said:
:roll:
I never learn to understand why some people deliberately seek a confrontation...
:From a boxers point of view Getting hit is a part of the appeal. From a writers point of view there is a story in all of us. From a hunters point of view the thrill is the chase. In a Punk rock point of view my idea of a perfect night is ruining someone else's In your point of view never understanding anything is never my problem just yours.
And to Tomasz This is a bar right? Who made you the thought police? Why don't you start a tread Tomasz vs GoD that would be fine with me. Solo would not attend as he has his lofty Moderators standards to adhere to. Frederic will read it but offer nothing. You would loose. Think before you speak.
GoD
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Ok. Stop hijacking this thread. Open your own called 'Solo vs Goon'.
You can start a pool as well.
JAPAN
Practical use of permanent\electro-magnetic motor in a motorbike. They don't have fossil fuels so they are desperately looking for alternatives.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUXhJZZRUIg
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This topic is about zero point energy, pretty much getting more out than what's put in right?
We do have that technology today if you think about it, in California for instance there are many home owners that have embraced solar technology by riddling their roofs and lawns with solar panels and achieving such quantities of power that they are even supplying back to the grid and getting energy credits (power company owes them)
As technology advances so will solar panels, which in turn will be even more productive, more people will be turning to this solution hence bringing down the prices based on quantity, which will lead to even greater technology as more manufacturers get into this new booming sector which will lead to competition and we all win.The sun has been there from day one, exalted by primitive cultures as a God (some still today) and maybe just maybe it really is answer which has been overlooked as we concentrate on more complicated solutions.
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Solar as is most sustainable alternate means of construction is not an option for most who improve properties. Cost is a factor as is rely-ability and durability. Not only Solar but most building products that are truly rated widely accepted and certified are cost prohibitive. for many reasons. Remember those that can afford it are also interested in the notion of "Value added"
Once the priority must be to become self sufficient is when we will see a competitive market, affordable expert service, quality improves only with widespread acceptance. Not there yet but closer now than a year ago. But to truly be "Off the Grid" Battery backup is still a requirement with Solar that is if you need power in darkness and weather. ecologically speaking batteries are not good. As for the Zero point topic Data can be misleading. If you factor the sum total of its parts vs the projected service life what most fail to acknowledge is the agrigate total after the manufacturing process in some cases is way worse than the supposed gains.
Solar also has other drawbacks. Maintaining, cleaning and servicing parts that are in extreme heat and sunshine is problematic. UV will destroy in short order everything. Most who I know who have expierience with solar their biggest delight is watching the meter spin in reverse on the sunny days when the house is at rest. Most also are proud to say that they have solar. Most are all are dependent on the grid more than the panels given the fact that most are away at day and home at night. Every bit helps I suppose? For those out there who are truly off the grid and self sufficient. What you will find in most cases where energy is required to exist is that they have Diesel generators, lead Batteries, and toxins everywhere. Off the grid mostly means the absence of one.
GoD
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OT: Looks like Thinkpath has had a rough time on the market. Down to a penny a share now.
Modelhead I hope your life-savings weren't invested in it.
--- Ross
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