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    • FrederikF Offline
      Frederik
      last edited by

      @unknownuser said:

      Hands down I think the podium render looks the best and has the best overall feel to it.

      I agree with you on that, Scott...
      However, when knowing that Kwistenbiebel used the v. 1.5.1, where Kerkythea is the engine behind, you can start wondering why the render made using KT wasn't looking that good... πŸ˜’
      Both renders should be very close to identical..! πŸ˜‰

      Cheers
      Kim Frederik

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      • StinkieS Offline
        Stinkie
        last edited by

        I'm not altogether sure I like what you're implying. Kwisten's always done his best to advocate - be it in writing or by rendering - the qualities of all the rendering apps he uses.

        Show some courtesy.

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        • tbdT Offline
          tbd
          last edited by

          ... mainly because Podium is not using the exact same Kerkythea engine as in KT.

          nice work Biebel !

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          • FrederikF Offline
            Frederik
            last edited by

            @unknownuser said:

            I'm not altogether sure I like what you're implying.

            Sorry - but I don't know what or how you're interpreting what I've been writing...
            I'm not trying to imply anything here... All I'm saying is that based on the fact that the engine running under the hood of Podium v. 1.5.1 is KT, the result should be fairly identical, but this is not what I've seen in this test... πŸ˜‰

            @unknownuser said:

            ... mainly because Podium is not using the exact same Kerkythea engine as in KT.

            πŸ˜• πŸ˜• πŸ˜•
            TBD - you know that the core is identical, but maybe the settings are different, which's then showing in the result...
            Nevertheless, I said that it should be very close to identical..! πŸ˜‰

            Cheers
            Kim Frederik

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            • StinkieS Offline
              Stinkie
              last edited by

              Clearly, if I've misinterpreted what you said, then an apology is due. Consider this one.

              If.

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              • FrederikF Offline
                Frederik
                last edited by

                No worries, Stinkie... πŸ˜‰

                Cheers
                Kim Frederik

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                • StinkieS Offline
                  Stinkie
                  last edited by

                  Allrighty then. Apologies! 😳 πŸ’š

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                  • N Offline
                    notareal
                    last edited by

                    I have to add that it's fairly pointless to made deep conclusions with these kind of comparisons, there always so much differences with render engines - even scenes and camera settings can be different, unintentionally. Passion towards one engine can lead different results. Anyhow, it's always interesting to see what one can do with different render engines. Usually in the end - conclusion is clear - use one that you happy with. β˜€

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                      notareal
                      last edited by

                      @frederik said:

                      @unknownuser said:

                      ... mainly because Podium is not using the exact same Kerkythea engine as in KT.

                      πŸ˜• πŸ˜• πŸ˜•
                      TBD - you know that the core is identical, but maybe the settings are different, which's then showing in the result...
                      Nevertheless, I said that it should be very close to identical..! πŸ˜‰

                      I think difference do come from five different element, missing parts; handrail and 2th floor windows & interior and some missing stone decorations, different grass (or it's mapping), different tone mapping, different image size/ratio and far different render method. Podium uses Photon Mapping, if I have understood right, and with KT Kwistenbiebel used new MLT/BPT, that was not cooked long enough to clear noise. MLT/BPT is actually best suited for difficult indirect lighting conditions, that have hard to produce caustics, blurry reflections... what ever.

                      Sorry for bad photoshopping, but had to add those missing handrail&window parts and change image size to reveal how great difference those do made. I remove this if needed.

                      edit: oops... now I see I missed 1st floor handrail too. 😳


                      Missing_parts_and_tonemapping.jpg

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                      • K Offline
                        kwistenbiebel
                        last edited by

                        As a note, this thread is not meant to be a comparison as it was stated in the first post.
                        :('This is not meant as a comparison thread between render engines. Just an exercise on using them.'
                        Looks like some of you are making it into one ... πŸ˜‰

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                          notareal
                          last edited by

                          That was not my intention. I tried to emphasis that render engine comparisons are fairly pointless - but seems to have failed. Anyways what can be done with different render engines is interesting to see, that is what I understood you did, and did it well. But was it interesting to see that small changes in the scene and image cropping can made a huge difference.

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                          • K Offline
                            kwistenbiebel
                            last edited by

                            I agree...
                            Some images probably could have been improved. I just used the (sometimes limited) knowledge on each render engine I currently have....

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                            • S Offline
                              spadestick
                              last edited by

                              Pardon me kwistenbiebel, but how does it work that the handrails can get left out during export to KT? are they on a different layer?
                              To me, they're all nice, all good enough to eat!

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                                nomeradona
                                last edited by

                                kwist,

                                that last podium render... WOOWWOWW. how much more now when the V2 is release..

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                                • bigstickB Offline
                                  bigstick
                                  last edited by

                                  For me, the most relevant piece of information - render time is missing. Fantastic and really interesting comparison, and it shows that all these engines can produce great results. The time taken to get there, including export, setup and render time is possibly the most relevant to anyone wondering which application might be best for them. Makes you wonder how the other SU engines (irender, IDX renditioner and Podium V2 πŸ˜‰ ) will compare!

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                                  • GaieusG Offline
                                    Gaieus
                                    last edited by

                                    @bigstick said:

                                    For me, the most relevant piece of information - render time is missing...

                                    http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/viewtopic.php?p=42116#p42116 πŸ˜‰

                                    Gai...

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                                    • FrederikF Offline
                                      Frederik
                                      last edited by

                                      @bigstick said:

                                      Fantastic and really interesting comparison...

                                      I'm starting to get slightly dizzy... πŸ˜’

                                      @kwistenbiebel said:

                                      As a note, this thread is not meant to be a comparison as it was stated in the first post.
                                      :('This is not meant as a comparison thread between render engines. Just an exercise on using them.'
                                      Looks like some of you are making it into one ... πŸ˜‰

                                      I would still love to have this scene... πŸ˜‰
                                      Would it be possible for you to share it, Chris..??

                                      Cheers
                                      Kim Frederik

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                                      • marked001M Offline
                                        marked001
                                        last edited by

                                        damn... really really impressed with that Podium render!! i'll say it again..i really really need to start playing with this.. <runs to the podium site>

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                                        • bigstickB Offline
                                          bigstick
                                          last edited by

                                          @gaieus said:

                                          @bigstick said:

                                          For me, the most relevant piece of information - render time is missing...

                                          http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/viewtopic.php?p=42116#p42116 πŸ˜‰

                                          Oops! I ought to have known that he wouldn't have omitted this information. Shame on me! 😳

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                                          • K Offline
                                            KennyL
                                            last edited by

                                            You didn't include the render time for Podium.

                                            Ken

                                            Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence in society.

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