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Krisidious

I agree and disagree Bruce...

I believe you fail W3C without declaration which may affect rankings...

I also just switched to CSS in Jan. been upset with it ever since. my pages load faster, size is much smaller but still have a lot of issues and don't care for the look of typed basic fonts as navigation... I like image maps personally. and like you said cross browser use is messy.

Krisidious

Bruce, I hope you're saving all this info... you're going to have a book to sell when you're done!

awesome work btw.

rsw

I think (and i stand to be corrected) that a lot of the problems occur because IE (ver 6 and earlier at least) has a buggy implementation of most CSS, and therefore needs a doctype to force it to follow the standards. So if you write html to a particular standard, you should definately declare the doctype, otherwise, theres no point, and including it will probably result in incorrectly rendered pages.

krisidious: there should be no reason why you can't use images for navigation...

Krisidious

well we have this page... you could always make your own how to site for iframes or a small how too book... just thinking out loud, but you've put tons of work into this between this forum and the pages you have created to go with it...

a big thanks to you Bruce. must feel good to see these guy's websites and know you helped make it happen.

rsw

@unknownuser said:

Richard...that could be the case but as I said we a rendering properly everywhere!!

I realize that, and if you declare a doctype in your pages now, this will probably change. so you are right to leave it as it is for now.

as for standards affecting page rank, i think it does, but to what extent i'm not sure. Following standards should ensure well structured html (and therefore content) which may effect page rank. Also worth noting is that according to this page "the content of an iframe isn't loaded by a web crawler/indexer. That is something that only happens in a browser. What a search engine sees is only the iframe code, it does not see the "content" of the frame. Make sure that all pages stand alone in regards to indexable content. Keep in mind that the content of the iframe will not be seen or indexed or counted towards keyword density of the page"
I really have hijacked this thread haven't I...
back to those tutorials now...

Krisidious

Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 5:53 am
Posts: 1668
Name: Kristoff Rand
I would say that's a big fat NO Bruce...

Edson

yes, bruce, i have been playing with iframes and am about to post something for you to see. i am looking at the site to see where it is appropriate to insert an iframe in order to save work on repetitive tasks.

the one thing which is still bugging me is how to make a vertical nav bar aligned to the right and/or to the left. if there is a way to do it, i could not find it. the alternative that ocurred to me is not to use a nav bar but to make one by hand linking text to pages: each project name is a text linked to its page. then i could align them to the right.

cheers.

alan wood

Hi Kris,
I would like you, to add yourself, to my lists of credits.
You mentioned linking to others sites way back in this thread.

My site is no where ready yet, but I emailed the chap who has the top listing if you input hand cut dovetails in the google search engine.

I'm top of his list at present if you enter his site.

I'm working away in the background on loads of issues to do with web building. One issue is my home page. So that will be update soon.

So thanks to you as well.

cheers

Alan

rsw

modelhead, I wasn't sure whether the page i linked to was correct or not, and don't reallyy know much about iframes as i've never had the need to use them. and that was one of the first pages that i came to when searching how iframes are indexed - i was trying to find out how they compare to frames. so i'll hold my hands up to that one and admit i might be wrong.

alan wood

Edson
I may have the answer for that.
Highlight your existing navigation bar.
go to the top menu bar, tool>advanced navigation bar editor and select that.
In the dialogue box your navigation bars appear.
Double click on each navigation bar.
Look at the top of the editor dialogue box, and you have the option of aline, left, centre or right.

Cheers
Alan

Krisidious

awesome awesome awesome... that's like watching your kid walk for the first time Alan... that is one juicy link... now Google knows nothing about dovetails... but they know that " http://home.nj.rr.com/afoust/dovetails.html#howto " is the best resource out there for links or information about dovetails, and since he thinks that you're such a great site... now google will see you as an authority on Dove tails... and if you are not required to link back, then it's even better.

fantastic... you're well on your way.

do that everyday... e-mail 1 or 2 people, 5 if you like before you know it, you'll be number #1

5,590 websites mention me, and I'm horrible at taking my own advice. soon you'll pass me and fly on... people will be linking to you wiht out being asked, just to give people your information...

I'm sooo happy for you. your first link and it's number 1 for your keyword that's just great you made my day.

alan wood

Hi Kris,
Thanks for that and your help.
cheers
Alan

rsw

since you're looking at nav bars etc, i thought i'd drop in this bit of work which i did a while ago, which you may or may not find useful. i realise its not a high priority at the moment, but you may be find it interesting to see what can be done with css.

Standalone Menu

The main aim of this was to create the triangle that you see to the left of the menu items without the need for images.
the beauty of this is that to add another menu item all that has to be added within the menu structure is the following

<li><a href="link here" title="description"><span></span>MENU TITLE</a></li>

Menu within a page

if you also look at the source for the above page the content is actually coded to come before the menu items, so in search results (which pay no attention to styling) the content is more likely to be displayed in the page summary instead of the menu list.

Edson

@alan wood said:

Edson
I may have the answer for that.

alan, you did have the answer! thanks a lot. you have just made my day. and congrats on the advances you have been making!

cheers.

Edson

@unknownuser said:

If you really want to get into making nav pieces I suggest you try making your own backgrounds to use with the nav bar creation tool.

bruce,

i apologise for my dumbness but what are those backgrounds supposed to be (just a colored box, a word)? and what should we do with those backgrounds?

i am asking this because of my interest in setting up those options (active, visited, etc). could you tell us a bit more about how to make it happen?

edson

Gaieus

Edson,

Whatever you saw in Richard's examples. They can be colours (like there) or they can even be images (in this case it may increase download time of the page).

Edson

bruce, gai and richard,

what i am trying to do is (or should) be very simple: i do not want to have the backgrounds change just the color of the nav bar element, be it a number or a word, when it is active, visited ou rollover.

regards.

Gaieus

OK Edson,

The "trick" is in the style sheet (I hope you can edit your html in your editor):
These elements should be added to your style coeds (the style tags you already have right before the closing tag of the </head> section):

<style type="text/css">
a;link {color; Blue;}
a;hover {color; Yellow;}
a;active {color; Red;}
a;focus {color; Red;}
a;visited {color; Purple;}
</style>

See an example here (with an iFrame for the lovers of it )
http://www.gaieus.hu/su/Edson.html

Of course you can edit the names of the colours (there are some with names - the rest is hexadecimal like #000000 for instance)

alan wood

dson,
I believe I have the answer for that.

Select the navigation bar that you want to ‘colour’ to make it ‘active’
double click on the navigation bar, and this will bring out the
‘ Edit Navigation bar dialogue box.’, select Customize.

If you want to ‘highlight’ the page number that someone has clicked on, you want to add a colour to the ‘Active Image’ menu.
Select Browse for the Active image.

Having selected browse, ‘ Choose an image’ dialogue box appears, I selected Clip Art.
From the menu available select the colour you wish, by highlighting the colour and selecting OK.

You will now have a colour behind your image every time someone selects a particular navigation entity.

I think that’s what you were after.
Cheers
Alan
PS glad the first bit of info was helpful.

alan wood

Hi web builders,
Problem/solution
One of the problems I was having with my web page was accurately positioning my navigation bars on a page, so that sequential pages had the navigation bar in exactly the same position.

The Ctrl C method of copying the navigation bar from one page to the next didn’t work.

Now all pages were the same width, in fact the standard default width of 760pixels.

Today I resolved that problem, and the solution is simple.

Add a text box the complete width of the page, in my case 760pixels. You don’t have to add any text that fills the box, just add a box the full width of the page.

Having done that, use the Ctrl C and Ctrl V method of copying and pasting the navigation bar, or in fact the iframe for my header, and it works perfectly every time now.

Happy page building.

cheers
Alan.