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    Durant Hapke
    last edited by 23 Feb 2008, 02:07

    Gargantuian Green,

    Yeah, that's funky cool.

    I dig that Jack bird action!

    I've been working on not working, but will likely be working at the work again.

    But it's all so "blue funky" these days.

    I had this total run in with the ghost of Marley over the long break and am just getting back into my head right now.

    In Dickens story, and subsequent plays, and films, Scrooge hears all the bells in his house ringing before scary gray bags of dust lungs Marley arrives at his bed chamber door.

    Little do most know, but old crack Marley was into toy railroading and model building (he was also a homosexual, and had a long but taxing love relationship with Scrooge -- this is in part why old chain dragging Marly came back from the far side of the river Styx to help his very cherished friend).

    Yeah baby, the whispers of transmogrification.

    "You can change course Mr. Jack awful Scrooge, open your self to the larger universe, and get set to drink up."

    Drink in the powers of your all but forgotten dry husky heart.

    I'm sure fidget fingers Marley would have been into Sketch Up.

    Durant "pour out a little bell for me" Hapke


    S.1967_YEDI_1.jpg


    S.1967_YEDI_2.jpg

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      GreenToaster
      last edited by 24 Feb 2008, 01:13

      . . . okay, well back to the crawler . . . almost ready for shocks . . .

      . . . I was planning on using a turbo diesel to generator to four dc brushless motors - one at each wheel . . .


      bw_rock_crawler_012_01.jpg

      If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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        GreenToaster
        last edited by 24 Feb 2008, 03:45

        . . . blah, blah, blah . . .


        bw_rock_crawler_012_02.jpg

        If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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          GreenToaster
          last edited by 24 Feb 2008, 08:44

          . . . more blah, blah, blah . . .


          bw_rock_crawler_013_01.jpg

          If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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            Gaieus
            last edited by 24 Feb 2008, 08:45

            This is getting really interesting and exciting!

            Gai...

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              GreenToaster
              last edited by 24 Feb 2008, 09:13

              . . . I used to teach the class "Large Assembly Management" for PTC - that's coming in pretty handy for this project - same techniques, better software, ya know?

              Here, I'm finishing the shock towers . . . plus, the shocks are now no longer "mirrored" . . . and finally, I spun them around to hide the spring transitions that I'm going to fix later . . . I'll also will create some variable compression rate springs . . . I haven't figured out the cost estimate for this thing yet . . . (yawn) . . . I'm sleepy . . .


              bw_rock_crawler_013_02.jpg

              If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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                SchreiberBike
                last edited by 25 Feb 2008, 15:08

                @greentoaster said:

                . . . I was planning on using a turbo diesel to generator to four dc brushless motors - one at each wheel . . .

                I was wondering how you were going to get power to those wheels. I understand that some of the really really big dump trucks work that way. Also, there's potential for electric cars to have the motors in the hubs.

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                  GreenToaster
                  last edited by 25 Feb 2008, 16:25

                  @unknownuser said:

                  Also, there's potential for electric cars to have the motors in the hubs.
                  Volvo has one like that - this certainly wasn't an original idea. Perhaps other transportation manufacturers use the same drivetrain principle?

                  I'm calculating ~15 degrees of front-to-back swing coupled with ~15 degrees of left-to-right side swing - add with this the ~22 degree range of up & down at each pivot center to end pod and also end pod to wheel = ~44 potential up/down swing at each end - thus the ball joints for the shocks. I had to use "slider" mounts on the swing arms to compensate for the parallel arms that will twist and change distance from each other. All movement of wheels is computer controlled, of course.

                  Purpose: Remote search & rescue / search & destroy
                  Range: 2 hours of operation w/diesel engines, 30 minutes on battery only (for stealth op's)
                  Pods: 4 pods, each with video & 2 .50 cal machine guns (easily configurable w/variety of weapons)
                  Speed: 72 kmh top speed, flat surface
                  Est. delivery cost: ~$4.7M

                  If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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                    ely862me
                    last edited by 25 Feb 2008, 18:39

                    mr green what are u planning to do there an atomic bombb.... ๐Ÿ˜ฒ ..... ๐Ÿ˜ so far so good, anyway how u gonna turn the weels i didnt see any axel there?

                    Elisei (sketchupper)


                    Before no life was done on Earth it was THE LIFE ITSELF...GOD
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                      GreenToaster
                      last edited by 25 Feb 2008, 19:04

                      @unknownuser said:

                      anyway how u gonna turn the weels i didnt see any axel there?
                      There are two methods which can either work together or separately:

                      [1] - pivot arms, which pivot the drive wheels a total of ~30 degrees

                      [2] - drive wheels, which can operate much like a tractor (right side spin in reverse, left side spins forward - this combination makes the crawler turn right - all computer controlled)

                      I'll set up the crawler and post some illustrations with the pivot range maxed out - what do they say, a picture is worth 999 words?

                      If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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                        GreenToaster
                        last edited by 25 Feb 2008, 20:08

                        . . . like this . . . wheel turning capability = ~7.5 degrees in either direction at each pod . . . cnc w/separate motors eliminates need for differential, tranny, et cetera . . .


                        bw_rock_crawler_013_11.jpg


                        bw_rock_crawler_013_10.jpg

                        If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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                          GreenToaster
                          last edited by 26 Feb 2008, 14:05

                          . . . revisiting the stitchy front end technique . . . this is another 6 minute quick sketch during class today . . . fun, fun, fun . . .

                          Happy Sketching,

                          Brad
                          ๐Ÿ˜„


                          bw_car_08623_01.JPG

                          If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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                            remus
                            last edited by 26 Feb 2008, 17:26

                            that looks almost as if youve sawn the top of a box van and merged it with a sportscar ๐Ÿ˜›

                            http://remusrendering.wordpress.com/

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                              GreenToaster
                              last edited by 26 Feb 2008, 17:50

                              . . . I've gotta start taking more time with the roofs . . . this roof & glass is awful . . . I find it very helpful to use layers when modeling new parts that intersect with others . . .


                              bw_car_08623_02.JPG

                              If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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                                GreenToaster
                                last edited by 26 Feb 2008, 18:54

                                . . . another not so good roof . . . it really must be frustrating for those who are really good with this stuff to see my slow progress . . . oh well . . .


                                bw_car_08623_03.JPG

                                If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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                                  GreenToaster
                                  last edited by 27 Feb 2008, 14:06

                                  . . . this was really funny - I changed my construction technique a little and tried some new stuff but didn't model around the wheels & tires - when I put these in later (after cutting the wheel wells), the result was humorous as the wheels & tires are way small . . . of course, this is not big deal to fix, but it emphasizes the importance of proportion . . . I guess . . . without specific details (hood lines, & so forth), sometimes the "pre-smoothed" version looks best . . . there's something about that raw, chiseled look that I like sometimes as in the bottom pic . . .

                                  Happy Sketching,

                                  Brad
                                  ๐Ÿ˜„


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                                  bw_car_088_02.JPG


                                  bw_car_088_03.JPG

                                  If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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                                    GreenToaster
                                    last edited by 27 Feb 2008, 17:00

                                    . . . one of my least favorite vehhicles is the "mini van" . . . ๐Ÿ˜ž . . . so, of course, I sketched one up super-quick . . . lots of missing details . . . models as ugly as this don't make you think twice when deleting them . . . on to the next one . . .


                                    bw_car_08626_01.jpg

                                    If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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                                      CADken
                                      last edited by 27 Feb 2008, 18:02

                                      it has a lot to do with faces and such... I model cars in 3Ds Max and it's no picnic there either... here is what I do in 3Ds Max that you can apply to SU:

                                      1. Use Blueprints to Model from.

                                      http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k242/KensNikonL3/3DBox2.jpg

                                      1. Create faces and move the vertex of each corner to match the blueprints.

                                      http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k242/KensNikonL3/tegger-hood.jpg

                                      http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k242/KensNikonL3/tegger-front-bumper50.jpg

                                      http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k242/KensNikonL3/screenshot-wire.gif

                                      http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k242/KensNikonL3/tegger-60body.jpg

                                      http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k242/KensNikonL3/tegger-80frontside.jpg

                                      It sounds simple and 3Ds Max is great for car modeling, but I'm sure some advance SU users can do this in their sleep...

                                      btw, your model is looking good so far!

                                      "it seems like everything I do is a work in progress..."

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                                        GreenToaster
                                        last edited by 27 Feb 2008, 18:23

                                        CADken - thanks very much for your contribution - fabulous!!! I'll try that technique - the only orthographic views I found were of an Audi which were used in a Rhino tutorial.

                                        Is there a great source for finding a bunch of 3 views of cars?

                                        Thanks for your comment - I'm trying, it's frustrating & fun at the same time. My progress is slow . . . posts like yours are very encouraging - this keeps me going and teaches me how to do it the right way - that's cool.

                                        Happy Sketching,

                                        Brad

                                        If you really want something you won't ever stop pursuing it.

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                                          CADken
                                          last edited by 27 Feb 2008, 19:57

                                          @greentoaster said:

                                          CADken - thanks very much for your contribution - fabulous!!! I'll try that technique - the only orthographic views I found were of an Audi which were used in a Rhino tutorial.

                                          Is there a great source for finding a bunch of 3 views of cars?

                                          Thanks for your comment - I'm trying, it's frustrating & fun at the same time. My progress is slow . . . posts like yours are very encouraging - this keeps me going and teaches me how to do it the right way - that's cool.

                                          Happy Sketching,

                                          Brad

                                          in my travels: http://www.smcars.net/ and http://www.the-blueprints.com/

                                          these are two sites dedicated to modeling cars and anything for that matter with blueprints... they both have great databases for car blueprints... i have a few Acura car blueprints handy, as well as a few Honda blueprints.

                                          "it seems like everything I do is a work in progress..."

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