SketchUp Junior Forums beta test
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Are we putting the cart before the horse? I wasn't aware of a great demand from younger readers for a separate forum - or any forum for that matter. The suggestion came from an adult, not a child. Do we know the age of any of the members? Show me some numbers. Are we creating a forum in the hope people will join, or do we have people lined up waiting for a forum to be created?
Also, age is only one measure of a person; and age is less important than maturity, skill, talent, passion, potential, or ambition (need I go on?)
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@unknownuser said:
I would say that age isnt importent, I was 15 and i lived already on my own for example.
So i think the real age is in our mind, So maybe a "entry" render would do for picking out people with enough skills and who havent, And place them with people who are on the same level?Regards,
KiraNLIf we do that, how the unexperience will learn? A forum just has the idea of bringing all kinds of people together. I have also learnt so much over the times on these forums that I would miss very much now if I hadn't.
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Yeah did think the same after posting it,I would rather hear some advice from someone with more exp too.
But deleted it as with was more foccussed on the safety of kids then skills i think. -
Actually, as was also mentioned above, there was an issue about crating a "playground corner" for kids here under SCF some months ago. Then the majority of the members who expressed their ideas said that they'd rather see this playground outside of SCF. Now it's going to be outside.
It may become a nice experiment so let's just see what happens - but as it will be a separate place now, we really need to make it safe for them.
There are already a couple of "candidates" so I hope they will enjoy themselves and finally I can even imagine that they will come out with some incredible things.
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OK guys, this is where it started:
Go through the thread, please, and observe that not everyone would be glad if kids posted their works in these forums. In this case I do still think that for a 12-y-o it was a nice model. Others may think differently and if they express their thoughts, these kids may get discouraged very easily (as Oli has never come back for instance and never even re-registered at SCF2).
Also a discussion started already at SCF1 has been going on about this. I don't know why some people didn't express their ideas in that topic yet so it looks like those who have been working on implementing these ideas now seem to need to defend themselves.
Please, don't get me wrong, I don't mean to rant with anybody but sometimes I just cannot understand things. Maybe that's the language gap (as I'm not a native speaker of English).
And Juan, this is not onlypedophiles at all.
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Bottomline: If this new forum is successful it is a great idea that worked...if not, it is a good idea that didn't.
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Coen,
///You know Juan, why don't YOU tell them that? I recall several threads about this, back at the old SCF1 forum and the old sketchup.com forum. Remember when SketchUp Free came out? I'm sure you recall the many posts in the Corner bar at sketchup.com about the same 'How to make a dome shape?' questions over and over again. I watched those topics closely and I didn't see you posting in there ever. So now that we come up with a place where these juniors can post you say "no".\\You are in a deep error.
I posted there and I said people who were afraid of the FREE VERSION were people without confidence in themselves. And I said it clear and more than once. And I keep saying the same.
Tell me who they are and I will tell them.
Apart from this,I think you are obsessed with the pedophiles.
Clean your mind, please.
Be objective.Calm
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@gaieus said:
I also have a nephew who is quite computer (and sciences) oriented. I might get him to give SU a shot, too. Also this would be a perfect place for him to practise his English!
i agree with you,... maybe i can learn English from him either
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Gai,
///And Juan, this is not only pedophiles at all.\\who else ? ...perversion ?....criminals.. ? ...
I think you should clean your mind too Gai.
I am starting to think that that believe about conspiracies has gotten deeper.
Maybe is the time for me to move unless I can get Coen back on the right track again. -
I tihnk what juan is tryign to say is that most peole arent peodphiles, and the few who are are unlikely to come looking for targets here. Sayign that, im going to have to side with gai and coen on this. With the internet being the vast unrestricted place it is it wouldnt be too hard for a peodphile to stumble find this forum and potentially abuse it.
Maybe the best thing is to just warn young peole about the problem and ask them to report any suspicious behaviour?
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Thanks for your comprehension Remus.
Coen, I´m sad you had that experience you tell.
Nevertheless I still think you see phamtoms everywhere.
Lets try to take it easy.
You have my support.
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I like this idea...
My boys (twins) just turned 6 this week, and they've modeled in SU since they were 3yrs old... and love it. "I'm going to work on my model now, dad... ok?!"
I'd like to sign up my boys so they can post some of their work for their peers. Personally, I like their earlier work when they were freer and less self-critical/self-consious. I never critique their work, I just let them go... but seems like they were just more 'free and wild' when they were 3.
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@juanv.soler said:
Gai,
///And Juan, this is not only pedophiles at all.\\who else ? ...perversion ?....criminals.. ? ...
I think you should clean your mind too Gai.
I am starting to think that that believe about conspiracies has gotten deeper.
Maybe is the time for me to move unless I can get Coen back on the right track again.Juan, my whole post was NOT about pedophiles - I was just posting when you were as well and you were faster so I added that line. And if you read carefully, I did say "this is notonly pedophiles at all"
So I am asking you whether you have read my post (and followed the links) or your eyes are only sharpened to the word "pedophile"?
And also asking you whether you have participated in the conversations when people at the board were formulating this idea and planning a place for kids - and added your ideas THEN? These topics were open to anyone and as I can still follow the old posts (thank god and the transfer team we have managed to bring them over here) most people agreed on creating a forum like this.
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Gai,
I did follow your links.
My eyes were not sharpened to the word "pedophile".
I did not post on that thread for I found not special interest on it.
I probably had not said anything here if the new forum were been done.It has been this thread and all the fear about it that has made me post.
Anyway, do whatever you like.
I think you are lost in the details of things and dont get the spirit.
Maybe one day.
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Sorry Juan if I seemed to hurt you - believe me that wasn't my intention.
Actually for me this whole pedophil issue does not seem to be so serious - but it may only be so because I (and other in my environment) have never had bad experiences (thank God).
And look from this side: we can try this and if it happens to be successful, it's great. If not, we can still admit it but at least we have tried to provide kids with a place to show off their skills and/or to learn.
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Its Ok Gai,
I only try to provide a bit of perspective.Lets go on.
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Coen , and Gai,
%(#4000BF)[Lets move on, yes.
and thanks for your compliments Coen,
*)]**/// with some things in life you just can't take risks\**
Well I think to me the only thing I would not take risk, really, is with the arms to kill.
**/// "Why didn't we do anything?" and "How could we let this happen?". That's all I'm saying.\**
%(#0040BF)[Maybe a way to prevent those things happened could have been to do school with the ones who bad_behaved.
Maybe you can teach them.
I think man is due to learn in his time being. And I believe bad people´s
behaviour can be corrected and repented.]We all must have our chance.
"Salud" and keep moving.
:-arrow:
where on earth is the happy icon ?
Ill create mine
:;:/),
ciao
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Correct Modelhead.
///I think that children need their parents or at least one parent more today than any other time in history. Having a group of professional, concerned adults in the other room creates an amazing safe heaven for them in which the possibilities are endless. **I think there is a percentage of children in this scarry world that welcome adult supervision. It provides a safe platform for them from which they can just be themselves without fear of their peers.\**
Their peers are our peers.
So lets make one house protected
IsiT ?
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@unknownuser said:
Hey, I am within that age range and I am probably the type of person that would be going to this forum. But I personally do not really want this type of forum. If I am to excel with sketchup and architecture, I need adults, people with experience in their field to be helping me. This Idea of putting the youth in their own corner and letting them learn everything on their own only leads to them goofing off and not learning anything, I know this by experience. Yes, you are putting a moderator on this and controlling the influx of members, but personally, I am still not going to use this new forum.
Yes but you are a kind of exceptional guy as you - and all of us - precisely know. (I could even imagine you there as a moderator!
)And now let me wish you a very happy birthday! (I didn't want to start a new thread since we agreed not to do these happy birthday topics any more.)
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I've only just read this thread. If I may add my view:
The idea of a junior forum is fantastic IMO. It can only reinforce Sketchup's professional presence in the future as the SU community will be recognised as a software user group that helps to teach school children. I expect in time specially tailored learning materials will come out of this. It will be a great resource for teachers. Microsoft give free software to schools for a reason! In sixteen years time, there will be a large number of people leaving school with SU skills that they will transfer to the workplace.
As for the security risks of attracting dangerous individuals to the junior forum. The risk might be hard to guage but we all know that this sort of thing does happen and is probably happening right now somewhere on the net. It is a credit to Coen that he is taking this so seriously.
Excellent work Coen and Csaba.
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