SketchUp Junior Forums beta test

JuanV.Soler · 23 Feb 2008, 10:59

were we not a family ?
why so much division ?

solo · 23 Feb 2008, 14:21

I am not so sure the invitation only thing will work, however a work around may be to eliminate the PM function so no back door activity takes place and everything is in the open, I would also not make messenger or email info available.

architectboy · 23 Feb 2008, 17:19

Hey, I am within that age range and I am probably the type of person that would be going to this forum. But I personally do not really want this type of forum. If I am to excel with sketchup and architecture, I need adults, people with experience in their field to be helping me. This Idea of putting the youth in their own corner and letting them learn everything on their own only leads to them goofing off and not learning anything, I know this by experience. Yes, you are putting a moderator on this and controlling the influx of members, but personally, I am still not going to use this new forum.

mateo soletic · 23 Feb 2008, 18:00

Good point Darrel.
So what happens when someone in that age range feels that he would rather participate
in the normal forums. Do we make exeptions or....

architectboy · 24 Feb 2008, 02:29

Hmmm, everything you said is absolutely correct when put to the right age range. My suggestion is to Not put the high schoolers off by themselves. An age range of 5-13 would make sense and youth of that age generally don't get into much trouble.

tinanne · 24 Feb 2008, 02:40

@unknownuser said:

If I am to excel with sketchup and architecture, I need adults, people with experience in their field to be helping me. Yes, you are putting a moderator on this and controlling the influx of members, but personally, I am still not going to use this new forum.

Darrell, there will be some very qualified "adults" of all sorts of careers to guide members of the SJF. No worries around goofing off and not learning anything

tomsdesk · 24 Feb 2008, 05:52

I think this is perfect for my young nieces...though I haven't had the opportunity to introduce them to SU (yet! :`) Another safe place to learn by sharing on the net.

You mentioned somewhere guests won't have the ability to post: so that means an ol'fart like me is free to visit from time to time to see and learn from younger minds? I certainly hope so!

Gaieus · 24 Feb 2008, 06:05

Guests cannot post here eithe, Tom. But it seems that it's high time to introduce your nieces to SU already!
I also have a nephew who is quite computer (and sciences) oriented. I might get him to give SU a shot, too. Also this would be a perfect place for him to practise his English!

JuanV.Soler · 24 Feb 2008, 08:46

Coen,
///First off, many children that play around with SketchUp don't feel at home here, among the adults. Why is that you might ask. Well, without naming individuals (we'd like to protect their privacy) we've had a couple of instances where these kids were posting very basic questions and often the same questions over and over. Now I hate to say this, but this was bothering some older members.\
Tell those older members to be patient and make sure those kids post in the newby forum.
///Second, there is a HUGE potential risk that children might be targeted by pedophiles. Now to be honest, I didn't want to phrase it like that, but that is really what it is about. This board offers NO protection for children. As Solo points out above (see also my response to that below) we should turn off the Private Messaging system. What's more is that here anyone can register. At the SJF only people can register whom we know are children, because they are children from existing members here.\
%(#BF0000)[Children must not be alone. If any of us here want our kids to learn SketchUp we start to teach them. And once they learn and if they want to participate in this forums far apart from us we will teach them to go to the newby forum to get started.
They are our kids. They will be with us. They will be safe.]

I see much more risk in dividing. And that is why you have to take so much precautions. Besides, this forums are about learning. It is like a school.

There is no need for a kindergarden. There is the Newby forum. They will learn with us and they will play by themselves and share. And we will take care of them. That is what a family is about and what a school is about. We keep together and we help to grow.

I hope you understand.

tomsdesk · 24 Feb 2008, 14:59

Juan, I absolutely agree with all you said, and my first thought when I heard about this effort was too the junior forum would be best served as a part of these...

...but: I'd like to see a separate place for kids to feel comfortable posting their "whatever they think is great (with no nevermind to what the grownups think)" from refrigerator art to sky's the limit. A place we grownups don't post our stuff or talk about SU in our terms. This, I think, is an excellent idea.

OMO

Gaieus · 24 Feb 2008, 15:03

Also there was a long discussion here but at the old board about some kids' corner at the noard and most of the people who contributed said that they didn't want such a thing and a separate forum would be better.

Certainly we could've created a simple category here (even in a way that you couldn't have seen so no bother would have happened) but now this seems to be a better solution.

Jim · 24 Feb 2008, 15:49

Are we putting the cart before the horse? I wasn't aware of a great demand from younger readers for a separate forum - or any forum for that matter. The suggestion came from an adult, not a child. Do we know the age of any of the members? Show me some numbers. Are we creating a forum in the hope people will join, or do we have people lined up waiting for a forum to be created?

Also, age is only one measure of a person; and age is less important than maturity, skill, talent, passion, potential, or ambition (need I go on?)

Gaieus · 25 Feb 2008, 09:13

@unknownuser said:

I would say that age isnt importent, I was 15 and i lived already on my own for example.
So i think the real age is in our mind, So maybe a "entry" render would do for picking out people with enough skills and who havent, And place them with people who are on the same level?

Regards,
KiraNL

If we do that, how the unexperience will learn? A forum just has the idea of bringing all kinds of people together. I have also learnt so much over the times on these forums that I would miss very much now if I hadn't.

KiraNL · 25 Feb 2008, 09:36

Yeah did think the same after posting it,I would rather hear some advice from someone with more exp too.
But deleted it as with was more foccussed on the safety of kids then skills i think.

Gaieus · 25 Feb 2008, 10:49

Actually, as was also mentioned above, there was an issue about crating a "playground corner" for kids here under SCF some months ago. Then the majority of the members who expressed their ideas said that they'd rather see this playground outside of SCF. Now it's going to be outside.

It may become a nice experiment so let's just see what happens - but as it will be a separate place now, we really need to make it safe for them.

There are already a couple of "candidates" so I hope they will enjoy themselves and finally I can even imagine that they will come out with some incredible things.

Gaieus · 25 Feb 2008, 15:31

OK guys, this is where it started:

Go through the thread, please, and observe that not everyone would be glad if kids posted their works in these forums. In this case I do still think that for a 12-y-o it was a nice model. Others may think differently and if they express their thoughts, these kids may get discouraged very easily (as Oli has never come back for instance and never even re-registered at SCF2).

Also a discussion started already at SCF1 has been going on about this. I don't know why some people didn't express their ideas in that topic yet so it looks like those who have been working on implementing these ideas now seem to need to defend themselves.

Please, don't get me wrong, I don't mean to rant with anybody but sometimes I just cannot understand things. Maybe that's the language gap (as I'm not a native speaker of English).

And Juan, this is not onlypedophiles at all.

tomsdesk · 25 Feb 2008, 15:51

Bottomline: If this new forum is successful it is a great idea that worked...if not, it is a good idea that didn't.

JuanV.Soler · 25 Feb 2008, 15:51

Coen,
///You know Juan, why don't YOU tell them that? I recall several threads about this, back at the old SCF1 forum and the old sketchup.com forum. Remember when SketchUp Free came out? I'm sure you recall the many posts in the Corner bar at sketchup.com about the same 'How to make a dome shape?' questions over and over again. I watched those topics closely and I didn't see you posting in there ever. So now that we come up with a place where these juniors can post you say "no".\\

You are in a deep error.

I posted there and I said people who were afraid of the FREE VERSION were people without confidence in themselves. And I said it clear and more than once. And I keep saying the same.

Tell me who they are and I will tell them.

Apart from this,I think you are obsessed with the pedophiles.

Clean your mind, please.
Be objective.

Calm

GUNAWAN W · 25 Feb 2008, 16:03

@gaieus said:

I also have a nephew who is quite computer (and sciences) oriented. I might get him to give SU a shot, too. Also this would be a perfect place for him to practise his English!

i agree with you,... maybe i can learn English from him either

JuanV.Soler · 25 Feb 2008, 16:07

Gai,
///And Juan, this is not only pedophiles at all.\\

who else ? ...perversion ?....criminals.. ? ...

I think you should clean your mind too Gai.

I am starting to think that that believe about conspiracies has gotten deeper.
Maybe is the time for me to move unless I can get Coen back on the right track again.