Roman Theatre in Cartagena (Spain) Work in progress

pichuneke · 22 Dec 2007, 15:54

Yes, I didn't make any changes to materials. I have no idea about this

I am looking for a solution in Google. As my english and knowledge are limited, I didn't know that the key word was "light leak". If I can't find anything, I will post my problem in Kerkythea Forums.

pichuneke · 23 Dec 2007, 15:26

Now I know that is a bug, but is not my fault. The light leaks appear under Photon Map mode, not with the others.

The images below show you what I say, under different presets.

PHOTON MAP FINE + AA 0.3

PHOTON MAP FINE + CAUSTICS + AA 0.3

RAY TRACING HIGH + AA 0.3

PATH TRACING HIGH + AA 0.3

After doing a quick test, Metropolis Light Transport seems to work well, too.

So now I am not nervous, and I know that I can continue with my work. I was doing it well.

pichuneke · 2 Jan 2008, 16:04

I have tried to start a chorintian capital, that's what I have done untill now:

I used a photo of a capital (Gaeius, you know what I am talking about ).

I drew the figure over a photograph, and then I did something like a tutorial I can't find now, I used intersections to make it. And then I adjusted it manually.

The size now is 147 kb, but the photo is 55 ,kb. I believe I can use 500 kb for the entire capital.

pichuneke · 4 Jan 2008, 10:06

This is the actual situation of the capital:

about 230 kb

pichuneke · 5 Jan 2008, 16:53

About 290 kb:

pichuneke · 7 Jan 2008, 00:26

A render of the capital. It is almost finished, I have to work on some details yet.

The size is 371 kb at the moment

Gaieus · 7 Jan 2008, 01:43

And you were asking for tutorials on this!

Great job, really (just keep in mind to put these on a hidden layer while modelling).

pichuneke · 7 Jan 2008, 10:17

Well...

"Do or do not. There is not "try""

Gaieus · 7 Jan 2008, 10:57

I've put together a couple of types of the Ionic order (more or less complete) but haven't been able to create "easy-to-follow" tutorials from them yet.
They require external plugins (ruby scripts).

pichuneke · 7 Jan 2008, 11:06

Ionic Order is easier than corinthian, so I am not afraid now

If you are interested, when I finish the capitals I upload them here as an attachement.

I believe that today I will finish the corinthian column. And then I will have for my first time the known problem of "I want to replace this old component for this new one in the same geometrical position". I believe that is a classic...

Edit: the exact Ionic capital I need is "Italic Ionic". A friend of mine (the other model I told you) is looking for information about it.

Gaieus · 7 Jan 2008, 14:40

Yes there is a difference in the Greek Ionic and the Italian one (I mean the Roman interpretation of the classical Ionic order).

The problem in English language that they only have one word for this - "Ionic" (derivation of the Latin "Ionica") - which in Vitruvian use only refers to the Italian one.

The main dufference is that while the Greek loooks really like a scroll (so it it symmetrical from two sides and then another symmetry applies to the other two sides), the Italian is symmetrical from all 4 sides (has the shape of the abacus something like that of your Corinthian capital and the volutae torn in a bend to form similar scroll on the corners).

This was implemented by the Romans after the Greeks, too, however because on the corners of the temples the Greeks had to "cheat" as well. Now the Romans used these +cheated corners" for all 4 corners of their capitals and this way they can ba all alike.

But too many words - I should just make a couple of sketches instead...

pichuneke · 7 Jan 2008, 21:51

Due to my deep knowledge of Shakespeare's language, and to my superb capacity of comprehension... I haven't understood a single word, Gaieus

Yes, I believe that you are telling me that the greek Ionic is different from the roman Ionic, the roman one has a more elaborated capital. And I believe that I have seen that difference on the net (I can't remember where).

But this January I am going to have a lot of work, and all the big progress that you have seen this week is going to be slowed

So, be patient, please. The first thing I have to do is to investigate the famous single and eroded fragment of Ionic capital found in the area of the "Porticus in summa gradatione" in the roman theatre in Cartagena.

I am mixing latin with english and my brain is going to explode

So, be patient, please

Gaieus · 8 Jan 2008, 11:03

@unknownuser said:

I am mixing latin with english and my brain is going to explode

Never mind, I know some Latin and at least I understand what you are writing.

pichuneke · 19 Jan 2008, 16:30

A vandal has appeared in the roman theatre of Cartago Nova.

Members of the Legion are looking for this person. Graffitis are being cleaned at this moment. At least you can see the actual situation of the construction of the theatre.

Signed:

Pichunekus Maximus, Praetor.

Gaieus · 19 Jan 2008, 16:38

Hehe... That's Brian's Life... (Life of Brian???)

pichuneke · 19 Jan 2008, 16:45

I can inform you that we have a suspected of commiting this:

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8

Gaieus · 19 Jan 2008, 16:53

Yesss!

pichuneke · 20 Feb 2008, 14:14

A New theory for a secondary use of the Frons Scaenae in Roman Theatres has been developed by Dr. Moebius Co&Jones:

(it's a joke for the spanish forums that perhaps you are not going to understand, the buildings sourrunding the roman theatre have a lot of this "esthetic" element and it's my idea of fighting against this "contrast" )

And I began the basilicae. To make work the columns in its proper way, I had to stretch part of the wall. It's a sollution I seen in Medina Azahara, (an arabian palace in Spain), but I don't know if Romans did it. Perhaps I should build walls thinner. Anyway is a part of the theatre with few elements known. Even the Ionic style is not known, I chose it because I had a ionic capital without use. The half columns may be wrong... I don't know.

I need orientation of an archeologist about that, as the people in the spanish forums have no idea (Gaieus... )

Gaieus · 21 Feb 2008, 05:25

I don't understand what you mean by "stretching" the walls, sorry. Also pictures with lines shown would be better for it is a bit hard to see the details without them.

From what was found (I guess at least the foundations) you should be able to tell the thickness of the walls. But use the same thickness all the way up (the Romans did not change it as they were advancing upwards) if that is your problem. If the problem is the transition between the Ionic capitals and the arches, you can use abaci for that (that is the "regular" way - also they usually used something that resembles the architrave and the friese crowned by a cornice).

pichuneke · 21 Feb 2008, 08:13

You don't understand me because I insist that my english is limited, sorry for that.

I will make a thinner wall to fix it, thanks for your help (It is going to give me a headache, as I have to make a new "half column component", I believe)

As I am too perfectionist, I am studying now the volumes inside the basilica to figure how it was, just with the few ruins we have. And I believe that I have an idea.

I don't know if the Basilica, inside it, had naked stone or there was any kind of paintings. I am thinking in the future, when I apply textures to it.