A solution for Amazon deliveries

Mike Lucey · 15 Aug 2022, 21:13

@box said:

@mike lucey said:

A person escaping from the inside would be able to simply lift the inner door (which is not locked in) and remove the contents of the box in seconds so I think there would be no issue here.

I doubt this would get by most safety inspectors. Anything that can hamper access is frowned upon.
Suggesting that someone crawling on the floor gasping for air can simply open the box and remove the package would not be an acceptable solution in most cases.

Box, I had to laugh at your comment (in good nature of course), "someone crawling on the floor gasping for air can simply open the box" ..... I hope I don't meet a Fire Safety Office as strict as you

Now, to continue the debate! I imagine that the poor sod crawling on the floor grasping for breath would also have little chance of even managing to pull himself up to actually open the Main Door in order to escape? As the lock opener is normally located 1.2M (on average) above ground he could easily do the business with the parcel removal on his elevation to the main door lock!

Maybe there might be a case for some kind of a safety escape button on the bottom of the main door or nearby that would automatically open the main door! Now there's a thought!

Box · 21 Aug 2022, 13:44

Given almost a week to think and consider your product in relation to a single door environment.
And having consulted with quite a few of the security and safety authorities that I have worked with over the last 30 years, not to mention the average man and wife with a kid or two and a simple unbiased explanation of your expanding box(brilliant) and how you can easily open the box and remove the blockage...
none of them, not one, thought I was joking about the difficulty of getting out of a room when gasping for breath.
not one, none of them, thought it was a simple matter to open and remove the package while attempting to escape a burning building.
Your comment about the height of the doorhandle just left me speechless.

I have personally experienced this and have trained many people how to help people survive this sort of horror. Have you ever tried a fire evacuation simulation.
I seriously hope you have to convince a 'Fire Safety Office as strict as you' or you may find yourself living with the consequences.

Mike Lucey · 21 Aug 2022, 14:56

@box said:

Given almost a week to think and consider your product in relation to a single door environment.
And having consulted with quite a few of the security and safety authorities that I have worked with over the last 30 years, not to mention the average man and wife with a kid or two and a simple unbiased explanation of your expanding box(brilliant) and how you can easily open the box and remove the blockage...
none of them, not one, thought I was joking about the difficulty of getting out of a room when gasping for breath.
not one, none of them, thought it was a simple matter to open and remove the package while attempting to escape a burning building.
Your comment about the height of the doorhandle just left me speechless.

I have personally experienced this and have trained many people how to help people survive this sort of horror. Have you ever tried a fire evacuation simulation.
I seriously hope you have to convince a 'Fire Safety Office as strict as you' or you may find yourself living with the consequences.

Hi Box,

Thanks for the reply and your thoughts. BTW, I am not trying to be flippant even if it sounds this way.

The point you raise in the case of a single door environment must be taken very seriously and I do take it so.

The ParcelShute should not be full while the property is occupied. If a parcel has been delivered while to occupant is out, they remove it on their return before entering the property. If the occupant is on the property when the parcel is being delivered the courier hand delivers it to them in the normal fashion and the ParcelShute is not used.

I appreciate your comments as they have been / are great food for thought. Through your observations / comments I have included the emergency release for the ParcelShute front door which I feel makes for an safety improvement. I am sure there would be other improvements to the ParcelShute as its developed.

I suppose the bottom line is that if a ParcelShute could in any way hinder property evacuation it should not be installed.

Mike Lucey · 21 Aug 2022, 15:54

@gullfo said:

i'd probably done something a bit different - the opening is into the garage or other non-direct home access point - then a fixed size box which once the opening door is shut, a conveyor moves the package out and into the non-home room. video monitor warnings. etc. to try and prevent mischief. as a small edit - re-purpose some robotic vacuum/sweepers to perform the conveyance...

Thanks Gullfo for thee comment / suggestions. I take your point as regards installing the ParcelShute in a garage door of other position in the property walls.

My initial thinking was that it would be easier for the property owner to just upgrade toe front door and have a new front doo with a ParcelShute installed. However, I will give the options you mention some thought.