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    studio43
    last edited by 6 Oct 2015, 12:19

    This is an excellent tool for me to quickly create 3d truss layout for general purposes

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      juju
      last edited by 7 Oct 2015, 07:08

      will this be developed into a bona fide sketchup extension?

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        medeek
        last edited by 7 Oct 2015, 07:50

        I don't know yet. What is a bona fide extension?

        I'm thinking about taking the programming from my calculator that computes the truss geometry and re-coding that directly into the plugin. That way you can adjust the pitch, span, truss type, overhang and other parameters all within SketchUp itself. You won't get any of the actual engineering for the truss, at least not yet, but it will allow one to generate the truss geometry independent of the calculator which will make it much easier to use.

        To do this though will take some programming hours which are hard to come by at the moment since my local customers are putting the food on the table. I tried to do some crowd funding for my calculator last year but that did not go anywhere. Maybe there would be more support for a SketchUp plugin?

        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
        Medeek Engineering Inc
        design.medeek.com

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          juju
          last edited by 7 Oct 2015, 11:14

          @medeek said:

          What is a bona fide extension?

          To me, that would be an extension that runs from within SketchUp and produces output directly in SketchUp, no external (or online) sources / output required, it will run on your machine irrespective of having an internet connection or not.

          I just bought the truss tool script, by "tomot", it works but it could be improved.

          There are a few other solutions available for constructing roofs, but not really anything that does trusses, it doesn't have to be engineering quality (engineers design and sign off on trusses anyway) but a good amount of control and variety of trusses would be good. If an option for purlins sizes and spacing could be accommodated, great, also either auto spacing (within maximum parameter) of trusses or force specific spacing with one spacing unforced (within maximum parameter).

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            medeek
            last edited by 8 Oct 2015, 03:51

            Added the Queen Post truss type SketchUp output:

            http://design.medeek.com/images/misc/TRUSS_SKETCHUP4.jpg

            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
            Medeek Engineering Inc
            design.medeek.com

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              pbacot
              last edited by 8 Oct 2015, 04:08

              Thanks! Great work! Unfortunately I am doing a stick framing job at the moment. Whenever i get into trusses they are never simple shapes it seems. Would be nice to have a tool for the user to outline the roof and ceiling shape in SketchUp and have it design the webs. Even then a house can have many many truss types, and sections to draw.

              but a mono truss would be a good addition.

              Although I haven't always bothered to go into this detail for my models which are used mostly for visualization. When designing, it can really help to just go ahead and "frame" the roof in the model and get some reality checks or even some new ideas.

              MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                Krisidious
                last edited by 8 Oct 2015, 13:13

                Could we go glue-lam beam and custom truss by shape too?

                By: Kristoff Rand
                Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                  juju
                  last edited by 8 Oct 2015, 13:30

                  medeek, it looks like you've started something...

                  can-o-worms.gif

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                    medeek
                    last edited by 8 Oct 2015, 15:36

                    I'm trying to make this easier to use for the SketchUp user and for the designer who does not need a bunch of engineering information. I've created a separate plugin that is used to generate the truss geometry (no engineering or loads). Please feel free to beta test it here:

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                    Medeek Design Inc. - Medeek Truss Plugin

                    Medeek Design Inc. - Medeek Truss Plugin

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                    (design.medeek.com)

                    Drop the .rbs file into your SketchUp plugins folder. Suggestions or bug notifications are welcomed. Currently only the fink truss type is available but I will add the others shortly.

                    A couple of ideas I'm tossing around:

                    1.) Add an option to generate gable end trusses with the typical 24" o/c verticals

                    2.) Add in an attic truss type, this could be a bit challenging but fun.

                    3.) There is a myriad of common truss shapes (ie. scissor, mono) that I can add, I just need to prioritize and add the ones that people need the most.

                    Please suggest any additional options or features you would like to see.

                    I plan on keeping this freeware until it reaches a point that it is a fairly significant product with all of the engineering included. At that point I will probably charge $10 - $20 for the advanced plugin. A lite version (without engineering) will remain free of charge.

                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                    design.medeek.com

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                      pbacot
                      last edited by 8 Oct 2015, 15:44

                      Sounds Good! 😄

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                        studio43
                        last edited by 8 Oct 2015, 20:11

                        This is great for communicating how the truss layout would look A Raised heel design would be great. Since we are facing higher insulation requirements in the roof. A raised heel design is perfect for this.

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                          medeek
                          last edited by 9 Oct 2015, 01:32

                          What is the most typical raised heel height? Depending on the height the typical treatment is one of three options:

                          1.) Wedgeblock: Butt cut BC depth and top chord just touches bottom chord.
                          2.) Slider: Butt cut is larger than BC depth (3-1/2") and heel height is less than 12". Bottom chord and top chord do not touch.
                          3.) Vertical with Strut: heel height is 12" or greater.

                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                          Medeek Engineering Inc
                          design.medeek.com

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                            studio43
                            last edited by 9 Oct 2015, 18:32

                            something like this


                            RAISED HEEL.jpg

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                              medeek
                              last edited by 9 Oct 2015, 20:20

                              That would be option 3, however note that the image shown does not have a strut from the last web to either the top or bottom of the vertical member at the heel. When the heel height forces the use of vertical member (from a wedge or slider) a strut should be added otherwise you have a truss with a non-triangulated section (trapezoid).

                              I've updated the page for the plugin and also added the King Post and Queen Post, still working on the Howe. I think I've come up with a nice little algorithm that will allow one to set the heel height of the truss (raised heel option) and it will automatically insert either a wedge, slider or vert. member and strut depending on this heel height and other parameters.

                              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                              Medeek Engineering Inc
                              design.medeek.com

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                                medeek
                                last edited by 10 Oct 2015, 17:54

                                I'm currently working on the algorithm for determining which option to show for the raised heel (wedge, slider or vert. web w/ strut). Sliders and wedges typically seem to be either 2x4 or 2x6 members. The length of the wedge or slider is still somewhat of a question. Most sliders seem to average between 3'-5' in length. Wedges extend about 6 inches.

                                The question of length of these two elements is important because it will determine the scarf of the heel and this determines the panel lengths and hence the web placement.

                                An interesting feature of the strut for higher raised heels is whether they are beveled to their centerline or this step is omitted. When the angle between the strut and the chord becomes to shallow the bevel is omitted, at least from a number of truss drawings I've reviewed.

                                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                Medeek Engineering Inc
                                design.medeek.com

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                                  medeek
                                  last edited by 12 Oct 2015, 07:59

                                  I have the raised/energy heel working now for a fink truss where a vertical member and strut is required (heel height greater than 12" approx.). Still working on the wedge and slider cases, they are actually easier to calculate and program, but I figured I would tackle the difficult one first.

                                  When the angle between the strut and top chord exceeds 10 degrees I then apply a scarf cut to the strut at its centerline (try a raised heel height that exceeds 24" and you will notice the difference).

                                  Here is an example of a fink truss with a 18" raised heel. Notice there is no scarf cut at the top of the strut where it meets the top chord.

                                  http://design.medeek.com/images/MISC/TRUSS_SKETCHUP5.jpg

                                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                                  design.medeek.com

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                                    medeek
                                    last edited by 13 Oct 2015, 03:05

                                    For the fink truss all raised heel types are now active:

                                    http://design.medeek.com/images/misc/TRUSS_SKETCHUP6.jpg

                                    http://design.medeek.com/images/misc/TRUSS_SKETCHUP7.jpg

                                    The algorithm is now smart enough to determine when to use a wedge, slider or vertical member with strut. Depending on the heel height, and the pitch a wedge is either a 3.5" or 5.5" deep. Likewise the slider is also auto selected to be either a 3.5" or 5.5" member.

                                    I've also setup the plugin so it is now an .rbz file and can be installed from within SketchUp (preferences).

                                    Another important change is the wrapping of the geometry creation portion of the script so that any changes to a model can be easily reversed with "undo"

                                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                                    design.medeek.com

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                                      juju
                                      last edited by 13 Oct 2015, 07:35

                                      the progress is looking good

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                                        medeek
                                        last edited by 13 Oct 2015, 15:37

                                        I've had a number of requests for monopitch or monoslope trusses. Shown below is a sample of potential configurations of this type of truss. Has anyone ever seen a (5/3) or (6/4) or a (3/1) monopitch truss? The first number is the number of top panels and the second number is the number of bottom panels to clarify.

                                        http://design.medeek.com/images/misc/monopitchtrusses1024.jpg

                                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                                        design.medeek.com

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                                          studio43
                                          last edited by 14 Oct 2015, 11:59

                                          Very cool truss modeler. I guess my next request would be to do an attic truss

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