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I think a front fan is not absolutely neccessary. One case fan on the backside could be enough.
If you want to install one, i would take one with 800-1200rpm i think and then use the fan control of the BIOS (UEFI) to adjust it to maybe ~600-900rpm. The Scythe GT is very good, but very expensive too. You could also take a Yate Loon for ~5€ or a Thermalright (not sure about the product numbers - you should look for some reviews). They should be good enough as a case fan. -
Couldn't found any of this in right size but I found Arctic Cooling ARCTIC F12 TC that was sheep and have some good reviews. (49:-)
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i have several F12's in my render nodes and my workstation without the TC. I think you don't need the TC-version if the mainboard controls the fan.
Most of the F12's that i have are very quiet but the last one i bought was really noisy... I can't tell you if this is a production failure of this single fan or if they have this production tolerance.
For me it's ok because they are really cheap and the nodes are located in the server room, so i don't hear the at all. But i will check this for future builds. -
I felt this was littel to much so I change the gtx550ti to gtx650 or would this make big different for me? I thougt about take the intel 330 120gb insted of 180gb and then take the harddrive i have in my computer now but somewhere I read that the 120gb was worse then the 180 gb, do you know anything about that?
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You will not know for sure if the PC vray performance is better than other configurations. Even comparing performance based on clock rate is not the full story because it depends on the wait states in the processing pipe line => some times slower is better than others with higher rates. You put the best base system together you can and look for the best. Bench mark test on the exact configuration would be the best info.
Have a couple of question;
For the processor does your your cost based on boxed version?. If not I think it should be. This may be mute if you stay with the cooler?It appears you do not have a hard drive and the 180 GB SSD will probably fill up quickly unless the use is very limited. The ATX form factor probably has room for one and you could off set the cost by going to 128 GB SSD. OS etc goes on the SSD and rest goes on the HD.
The cooler is CPU centric, fans are cheap( Especially if you build yourself), the ATX has slots and the mother board control interfaces(?). Heat is one of the highest contributing factor for un-relaibility along with power supply issues. (Heat sinking is reason for boxed CPU set). However I could not find info ( Engish) on the cooler to see what the interface is. Using the cpu,gpu,ps fans for cooling I would question.I have PS, GPU and CPU(P4 3.2GHZ) fans plus two case fans an temps run little higher than I like. Present temps are : Process Zone 69c;system Zone 1 46c,
System zone 2 58c, after about 1 hour.
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The processor is a boxed version and her is a review of the CPU cooler http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/thermalright-true-spirit-120m-cpu-cooler/5/
The case I thought to bought has one installed, I going to buy one more and there is space to a third fan that I can buy if I need more. The room there I going to have the computer is in the end of the house and it use to be littel coller there so I think it will help me littel to hold down the tempature. As I say before, I going to use my old hard drive that I have in my computer now if I need more space. -
I have found out that both sketchup and vray is 32-bit application and that means that it can just use 2 gb of ram so 16 gig is overkill, mayby go down littel and choose a faster?
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@vigge50 said:
I have found out that both sketchup and vray is 32-bit application and that means that it can just use 2 gb of ram so 16 gig is overkill, mayby go down littel and choose a faster?
You have configured a 64 bit system. Yes SU is a 32 bit and runs on a 64 bit system as such(32). SU is large address aware and it can use 4GB of RAM in 64 bit system where as in 32 it gets to use 2 gb (less the allocation for device drivers). kernel gets the other 2GB of the 4GB.
Suggest the 16 GB RAM is ok or maybe 8GB but NOT 2GB.
You noted using the HD from another PC. Hope you are aware all drivers for a 64 bit system MUST be 64 bit and if it is from a 32 bit system it will not work unless you can get 64 bit driver for it! Chances of that are two: slim and none.
The last search I did on SSD the price break was at the 120GB level. I was looking at Crucial however and did not find any bad about it.
The boxed set CPU will come with heat sink and fan. If you plan using the cooler there may be a cost trade of non boxed set vs it. I have not found info on the cooler for my satisfaction yet.One question is the CPU socket is a FLGA( Flipped chip LGA) but cooler says socket is LGA but same number of pins. Pins for FLGA are on the mother board vs the CPU(LGA) I assume form factors are the same but like to know for sure.
Delete the above . I mis read your post as cooler and instead of case. I would recommend buying the case with all the fans and the box set CPU has the heat sink and fan so you should be good to go. -
@vigge50 said:
I felt this was littel to much so I change the gtx550ti to gtx650 or would this make big different for me?
@numerobis said:
maybe 20-25% slower?
@vigge50 said:
I thougt about take the intel 330 120gb insted of 180gb and then take the harddrive i have in my computer now but somewhere I read that the 120gb was worse then the 180 gb, do you know anything about that?
Yes, normally the write speed is slower on smaller models. For Samsung models the difference between 256GB and 128GB model is ~ 20%. I
For the intel 330 the nominal write speed seems to be the same, but the IOPS are much less
http://ark.intel.com/compare/70274,67288,67287
@vigge50 said:
I have found out that both sketchup and vray is 32-bit application and that means that it can just use 2 gb of ram so 16 gig is overkill, mayby go down littel and choose a faster?
Is v-ray for skp really running in 32bit? I wasn't aware of this. This would be a bad limitation... Maxwell for instance runs outside the skp-process and in 64bit.
I would not buy less than 16GB. Even if one app is only using 2-3GB you will maybe start multiple instances of it and use Photoshop or other apps at the same time. 16GB is not too much! Do not limit yourself with this. RAM is cheap today.
The Z77 Pro3 has four DIMM slots and supports32GB RAM max. So if you buy your 2x8GB now, you will be able to plug in two more later if you need it.
1600MHz CL9-10 is enough. Faster RAM will give you close to none for modeling and rendering. Maybe 2-3% in some applications. But if you have not enogh RAM, you will notice it!!!
Last year i have upgraded 3 of my rendernodes from 12 to 24GB because they weren't enough anymore. I had to take out the 6x2GB modules to plug in 6x4GB... after that i had 18 useless 2GB modules to sell... do not save on the wrong things!.
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.@mac1 said:
You noted using the HD from another PC. Hope you are aware all drivers for a 64 bit system MUST be 64 bit and if it is from a 32 bit system it will not work unless you can get 64 bit driver for it! Chances of that are two: slim and none.
A HDD from a 32bit system that will not work on a 64bit system...?!? Interesting...
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@numerobis said:
@vigge50 said:
I felt this was littel to much so I change the gtx550ti to gtx650 or would this make big different for me?
@numerobis said:
maybe 20-25% slower?
Yes, normally the write speed is slower on smaller models. For Samsung models the difference between 256GB and 128GB model is ~ 20%. I
For the intel 330 the nominal write speed seems to be the same, but the IOPS are much less
http://ark.intel.com/compare/70274,67288,67287
I would not buy less than 16GB. Even if one app is only using 2-3GB you will maybe start multiple instances of it and use Photoshop or other apps at the same time. 16GB is not too much! Do not limit yourself with this. RAM is cheap today.
The Z77 Pro3 has four DIMM slots and supports32GB RAM max. So if you buy your 2x8GB now, you will be able to plug in two more later if you need it.
1600MHz CL9-10 is enough. Faster RAM will give you close to none for modeling and rendering. Maybe 2-3% in some applications. But if you have not enogh RAM, you will notice it!!!
Last year i have upgraded 3 of my rendernodes from 12 to 24GB because they weren't enough anymore. I had to take out the 6x2GB modules to plug in 6x4GB... after that i had 18 useless 2GB modules to sell... do not save on the wrong things!.
@mac1 said:
You noted using the HD from another PC. Hope you are aware all drivers for a 64 bit system MUST be 64 bit and if it is from a 32 bit system it will not work unless you can get 64 bit driver for it! Chances of that are two: slim and none.
A HDD from a 32bit system that will not work on a 64bit system...?!? Interesting...
I found this and there it says that they are best on different things http://www.hwcompare.com/13482/geforce-gtx-550-ti-vs-geforce-gtx-650/
Okey, i take 8x2 gig then
What is iops and different would I notice?
If i download a program and clean the hole harddrive, world it still be 32 bit harddrive? How do i know if a harddrive is 32-bit or 64-bit?
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A hard drive is not a 32- bit or a 64-bit
http://www.sevenforums.com/backup-restore/139224-backup-32bit-external-hard-drive-64-a.html -
@vigge50 said:
A hard drive is not a 32- bit or a 64-bit
http://www.sevenforums.com/backup-restore/139224-backup-32bit-external-hard-drive-64-a.htmlno surely not... that was what i wanted to say
If a hdd can be read depends only on the file system (and maybe raid volumes) and not the bitrate and drivers.Intel SSD 330 review:
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If the intel ssd 330 120gb had low IOPS i found Kinston ssdnow v300 120 gb that have much more and near the same speed for a better price,
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Yes, the kingston ssd now 300v is nice for the price. I have the 120 gb version in a render node as budget version. Very fast. The only thing i don't know is how it bahaves over the time. But it should be ok.
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@numerobis said:
Yes, the kingston ssd now 300v is nice for the price. I have the 120 gb version in a render node as budget version. Very fast. The only thing i don't know is how it bahaves over the time. But it should be ok.
It cost just 722 so I think I take it.
Now I am on a total of 7846:- with 16 gig ram
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Another "cheap" option could be the good old Crucial M4 128GB (or 256GB). I think it's still a good drive. I'm not sure about the Sandforce chipset of the kingston... i think the marvell chip would be better.
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@vigge50 said:
A hard drive is not a 32- bit or a 64-bit
http://www.sevenforums.com/backup-restore/139224-backup-32bit-external-hard-drive-64-a.htmlIn most cases( but not all) the hardware is ok ( For example go to the Seagate site) but the bundled software may not be. If you have no use for any of its support software then your choice. I would check with manufacture to make sure you are OK.
I did not pick up on what OS you are planning. I no not know if the high level formatting ( required)is any different than what you have. I would not think MS would not do that to user but?? If so make sure you save critical data.BTW I have xp sp3 and have my disk format fat32 because I hand some legacy DOS programs I wanted to run. Windows 7 default is NTFS and I do not know if it will still allow FAT 32 like xp. Next change I'll have to convert. MS does have a convert utility. The link you cite as showing 32 vs 64 leaves too many questions to establish closed form solution. All that proves for now is it worked for that users configuration and hardware. Ask your manufacture?
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Found this one now on 35% sale for just 699:- MSI GeForce GTX 550Ti V2 1GB DDR5 2xDVI HDMI PCIe
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maybe look for a review with noise level testing... i don't know how quiet the fan of the cheap MSI cards is. Normally the video card fan will be the loudest part of your system now.
But it will be hard to judge by reading reviews... Maybe you should buy it and if it is too noisy than you can change the cooler for an arctic cooling one or something like this (but then you will loose the warranty of your card - theoretically)....just to be clear, i can't promise you that a 550TI is faster in Sketchup than a 650. I can only look at the reviews like you do!
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@numerobis said:
maybe look for a review with noise level testing... i don't know how quiet the fan of the cheap MSI cards is. Normally the video card fan will be the loudest part of your system now.
But it will be hard to judge by reading reviews... Maybe you should buy it and if it is too noisy than you can change the cooler for an arctic cooling one or something like this (but then you will loose the warranty of your card - theoretically)....just to be clear, i can't promise you that a 550TI is faster in Sketchup than a 650. I can only look at the reviews like you do!
I saw that that prices is just until tomorrow so I think I buy it now
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