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@numerobis said:
both are not really optimal...
but the second one would be slightly better - if you change the video card ...and the RAM
- i7 2600 = "last" gen i7 - 3770 would be the better choice
- H61 = "old" chipset
- VERY weak PSU, only 300W - absolutely no headroom for a better videocard
- only 8GB RAM and only 2 memory slots, no upgrade possible
more than 900€? Is this true?!?
This is really too much for these specs...-
i7 3770 = OK
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Z75 = OEM chipset? i don't know - but better than the other one if it is derived from the Z77 chip
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weak PSU (430W)
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only 6GB RAM (WTF... why 6?!? this is a Dual Channel chipset - should be 4, 8 or 16GB!)
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both have very slow video cards, but the nvidia with a noisy fan on it - should be possible as passive card with a decent airflow in the case. But a stronger nvidia card would be better.
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both have NO SSD! I would add a 256GB SSD - 128GB would be ok too, but will have a ~30% slower write performance.
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i would say at least 16GB RAM
What is your budget?
Why HP? Looks very expensive and unflexible if i look at the config options...
(16GB RAM = +$240
, 256GB SSD = +$300 
)I am a student so I have a limited budget but I have some studendiscount at HP and there for i can get the second one for about 860 euro- 10%. I have discount at Dell to but there every computer have windows 8 from the begining and neither sketchup or vray support windows 8 so then i can't use it for that. A have tought a bit of mayby a mac but they is little to expensive.
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@numerobis said:
both are not really optimal...
but the second one would be slightly better - if you change the video card ...and the RAM- i7 2600 = "last" gen i7 - 3770 would be the better choice
- H61 = "old" chipset
- VERY weak PSU, only 300W - absolutely no headroom for a better videocard
- only 8GB RAM and only 2 memory slots, no upgrade possible
more than 900€? Is this true?!?
This is really too much for these specs...-
i7 3770 = OK
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Z75 = OEM chipset? i don't know - but better than the other one if it is derived from the Z77 chip
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weak PSU (430W)
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only 6GB RAM (WTF... why 6?!? this is a Dual Channel chipset - should be 4, 8 or 16GB!)
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both have very slow video cards, but the nvidia with a noisy fan on it - should be possible as passive card with a decent airflow in the case. But a stronger nvidia card would be better.
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both have NO SSD! I would add a 256GB SSD - 128GB would be ok too, but will have a ~20% slower write performance.
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i would say at least 16GB RAM
What is your budget?
Why HP? Looks very expensive and unflexible if i look at the config options...
(16GB RAM = +$240 , 256GB SSD = +$300 )I think you should look for a local shop and let them build a custom config for you if you can't do it yourself
- i7 3770K ~280€ (3,5GHz and could be overclocked) or 3770 (3,4GHz, no overclocking possible) ~265€
- a good cooler, maybe Thermalright True Spirit 120 Rev. A ~25€ (or HR-2 Macho or Macho 120)
- Z77 mainboard with 4 RAM slots, maybe ASRock Z77 Pro3 ~80€ (cheap and good)
- 2x8GB RAM (Corsair or Kingston DDR3-1600) ~60€
- a good 256GB SSD, Samsung 830 or Crucial M4 ~165€ (or 128GB ~90€)
- 1TB (?) HDD 7200UPM ~60€
- nvidia video card, maybe GTX 560TI 2GB ~ 220€
- DVD Writer ~15€
- a good ~500W PSU (at least 80+ bronze efficiancy with quiet fan), maybe Seasonic S12 520W ~60€
- Midi case with 120mm or 140mm fans (bigger = slower = more quiet) ~40€
- Windows 7 Pro x64 System builder (OEM) ~100€
- assembling and installation ~50-100€
3770K = ~1200€ or 8952 DKK
i have now look around littel and find this:8price in swedish crowns)
INTEL CORE I7 3770K 3.5GHZ 8MB S-1155 IVY 2799:-
MSI Z77A-G43 Z77 S-1155 ATX IVY 890:-
INTEL 330 SERIES 2.5" 180GB SSD SATA/600 MLC 25NM 995:-
CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 VALUE SELECT PC10666 1333MHZ (2X8GB) 499:-
ASUS DRW-24B5ST DVD±R/RW/RAM DL 24X SATA BLACK RETAIL 169:-
ANTEC KÜHLER H2O 620 LIQUID COOLING S-1156/2011/1366/1155/AM2/AM2+/AM3 490:-
CODEGEN MIDITOWER 6243-A11 460W PSU BLACK/SILVER 390:-
windows 7 1590:-
Total this is 7 822:-=904€
And now i have not count with grapic card.
the chassi have a psu on 460W but not any fans -
A sorry... swedish
i was led to the danish HP site as i searched for the model number 
Yes, this looks much better i would say...
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The board is good. But very high prices for the processor and the board
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The Intel 330 is ok, i think. The ones i listed would be a bit better as 256GB model
Best price/performance ratio at the moment has Samsung 830.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-330-review-benchmark,3190-7.html -
1600MHz RAM would be only slightly better (but only maybe 2%) but should be almost in the same price range.
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The watercooler is nice but not needed if you want to save money - and it could be even more quiet with a slow speed big air cooler.
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is this windows 7 Pro or Home? This looks like the Retail version. There should be a system builder version for about half this price.
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The PSU is still a bit weak, for this config without dedicated video card it's enough, but if you add a card that pulls ~150W (GTX 560 TI). PSUs normally have the best efficiancy at 50-60% power draw. And i'm not sure about the quality and efficiancy of this codegen PSU.
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Case fans are not allways needed. The airflow of the CPU cooler (and the PSU) can be enough. But then it would be better if the video card fan blows the heat out on the back.
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@unknownuser said:
I have discount at Dell to but there every computer have windows 8 from the begining and neither sketchup or vray support windows 8 so then i can't use it for that.
Not true, I am using Windows 8 and everything works perfectly.
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@numerobis said:
A sorry... swedish
i was led to the danish HP site as i searched for the model number Yes, this looks much better i would say...
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The board is good. But very high prices for the processor and the board
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The Intel 330 is ok, i think. The ones i listed would be a bit better as 256GB model
Best price/performance ratio at the moment has Samsung 830.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-330-review-benchmark,3190-7.html -
1600MHz RAM would be only slightly better (but only maybe 2%) but should be almost in the same price range.
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The watercooler is nice but not needed if you want to save money - and it could be even more quiet with a slow speed big air cooler.
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is this windows 7 Pro or Home? This looks like the Retail version. There should be a system builder version for about half this price.
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The PSU is still a bit weak, for this config without dedicated video card it's enough, but if you add a card that pulls ~150W (GTX 560 TI). PSUs normally have the best efficiancy at 50-60% power draw. And i'm not sure about the quality and efficiancy of this codegen PSU.
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Case fans are not allways needed. The airflow of the CPU cooler (and the PSU) can be enough. But then it would be better if the video card fan blows the heat out on the back.
I found wimdows 7 for just 769:-(821:-less)
I change the intel core i7 3770k to i7 3770 and save 360:-
i take away the watercooler but i think a going to buy some fans insted
So now i am down on just 6 151:- and have money over for a better graphic card -
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@solo said:
@unknownuser said:
I have discount at Dell to but there every computer have windows 8 from the begining and neither sketchup or vray support windows 8 so then i can't use it for that.
Not true, I am using Windows 8 and everything works perfectly.
okey, just search on google and read some forum but see now that it was very old, does booth sketchup and vray work on windows 8?
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@vigge50 said:
I found wimdows 7 for just 769:-(821:-less)
I change the intel core i7 3770k to i7 3770 and save 360:-
i take away the watercooler but i think a going to buy some fans insted
So now i am down on just 6 151:- and have money over for a better graphic cardYes, but once again... i would not buy such a cheap noname psu and risk an unstable system or a hardware damage. And the 12v rail should have at least 30A for the video card (or two separated 12v rails with 30A+ combined).
I don't know if overclocking would be an option for you in the future... then the K-version would be the better choice. -
@numerobis said:
@vigge50 said:
I found wimdows 7 for just 769:-(821:-less)
I change the intel core i7 3770k to i7 3770 and save 360:-
i take away the watercooler but i think a going to buy some fans insted
So now i am down on just 6 151:- and have money over for a better graphic cardYes, but once again... i would not buy such a cheap noname psu and risk an unstable system or a hardware damage. And the 12v rail should have at least 30A for the video card (or two separated 12v rails with 30A+ combined).
I don't know if overclocking would be an option for you in the future... then the K-version would be the better choice.What I can see it isn't what much diffrent between the 3770 and 3770k http://ark.intel.com/compare/65523,65719
I read that the motherboard i chose mayby isn´t that good that i thougth, do you now if intels own good? like INTEL DESKTOP BOARD DH77EB H77 S-1155 M-ATX?
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sorry, i don't know what you want to say concerning the cpu... the 3770K runs 100MHz faster but the real advantage is that it has an unlocked multiplier so you can easily overclock it. If you don't need this, you can go with the non-K-version. That was all i wanted to say.
I don't know the MSI board, but i don't think it is bad. When you for reviews on google there is one that says it has a bed performance, but i don't know nore about it.
Like i said above, ASRock normally makes very good and cheap boards, so i would buy the ASRock Z77 Pro3. You can find some reviews:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1998/15/
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4852/asrock_z77_pro3_intel_z77_motherboard_review/index12.html -
@numerobis said:
sorry, i don't know what you want to say concerning the cpu... the 3770K runs 100MHz faster but the real advantage is that it has an unlocked multiplier so you can easily overclock it. If you don't need this, you can go with the non-K-version. That was all i wanted to say.
I don't know the MSI board, but i don't think it is bad. When you for reviews on google there is one that says it has a bed performance, but i don't know nore about it.
Like i said above, ASRock normally makes very good and cheap boards, so i would buy the ASRock Z77 Pro3. You can find some reviews:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1998/15/
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4852/asrock_z77_pro3_intel_z77_motherboard_review/index12.htmlI have look around on another website and switch to that board you recomend and now i think to buy this:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM Swedish SP1 819:-
Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Socket 1155 2 439:- (+240 for 17-3770K)
Intel 330 Series 180GB SSD R:500/W:450 2.5" SATA-3 949:-
ASRock Z77 PRO3 Intel Z77 4xDDR3 CrossFireX Socket 1155 ATX 829:-
OCZ MODXSTREAM PRO 600 WATT PSU 640:-
CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 VALUE SELECT PC10666 1333MHZ (2X8GB) 499:-
ASUS DRW-24B5ST DVD±R/RW/RAM DL 24X SATA BLACK 169:-
COOLER MASTER MIDITOWER ELITE 310 ATX BLACK/ORANGE 276:-
100:- discount
Total 6 520:- = 755 euro
Will this computer be good to rendering in sketchup with vray? -
I paid about 700 euros only for CPU(i7 3770k) MOBO(Asrock Z77 extreme4) and RAM(Crosair vengeance2x8gb) .. You have some nice prices over there !!
I have never seen a greater consumption than 6 gb of ram ,but now depends what programs you will be using(better have more than missing it-I can have up to 32gb but I will have to change my cpu cooler-be aware of the size of the cooler , the Ram radiators can hit it).
Now I want to buy a Nvidia gtx 660or 670(200 or 400euros) video card and a good PSU .
If the rendering programs relay on CPU it does a great job running all the cores if it uses the video card then you need a good one .
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Here's a happy story.
Purchased this system about 3 months ago and couldn't be happier with its performance!
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Nice rig Ozzie.
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I have change the processor to intel core i7 3770K(can't find the i7 3930)
When it comes to PSU I get a tip to look after good "80 Plus certified" and then i change it to CORSAIR CX 500W BRONZE ATX12V 2.3 POWER SUPPLY(is 500W enough?)http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010655602/corsair-cx-500w-bronze-atx12v-2-3-power-supply/
This would be 6 706:- = 768 euro
Would it be a big different if a choose 1600 MHz insted of 1333 MHz?
Can get CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 XMS3 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X8GB) for 639:- (140:- more)
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@vigge50 said:
Will this computer be good to rendering in sketchup with vray?
I would say it is the question how you define "good"...
In my opinion this is the best you can get FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
It will be a good machine but compared to more expensive workstations it will be a midrange system.
You get what you pay for...
But it will be faster than the two HP systems from the beginning.You didn't reply to my question, if overclocking is an option for you. This would be a solution to get ~20-30% (4,2-4,7GHz depending on the chip and the cooling) more power for almost the same money - but you would need to buy a 3770K and change some settings in the BIOS (UEFI). But you should know what you're doing...
The next higher step would be an i7 3930K, a 6-core and roughly 30% faster than the 3770K.
But it could be overclocked to almost the same speed like the 3770K. This would be ~300€ more expensive.Above this there are Dual CPU systems with 6 or 8 cores = 12 or 16 cores... but these are in a different price range.
Concerning your selected components...
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the OCZ PSU should be fine, but it has two separated 12v rails with 25A each and 504W=42A combined. I'm not sure how the connectors are divided to the two rails and if you could get problems with a video card that needs ~30A. I can't answer this.
I would buy a single rail PSU with combined amperage of ~50A. But maybe this is no problem at all. -
I wouldn't buy Windows HOME PREMIUM but Professional because it comes with better networking functions (Remote Desktop Host), but maybe you don't need this and Home is enough for you.
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Where do you plan to store your data? Server? External HDD? Your last configs have no HDD.
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The other components should be ok. I posted my opinions above... (cooler, SSD, etc.)
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The CX500 has a single rail design with 38A combined. It is possible, that 500W and 38A will be enough, but i can't guarantee. This depends on the video card i would say.
Like i wrote before i would take one with at least ~50A combined on the +12V rail.
Something like this:
http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010586850/corsair-tx-650w-v2-natdel-atx12v-2-3-eps12v/#intcmp=searchProvider_dacsa (52A combined)
http://www.corsair.com/en/media/cms/manual/TX-V2_manual.pdf
The 650HX and the 500CX seem to be build by Channel Well. http://www.tomshardware.de/Netzteil-OEM-Hersteller,testberichte-240604-5.html
I don't know this manufacturer, but from the critics on the net it should be a good one.or this one
http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010628023/seasonic-s12-ii-620w-psu/#intcmp=searchProvider_dacsa (48A combined)
http://www.seasonic.com/pdf/datasheet/NEW/Retail/S12II%20Bronze.pdfI don't know how silent the corsair fan is, i have only saesonic PSUs. But i think it should be ok.
But the fan is one more point for me to take a slightly bigger PSU. Since they are usually controlled by the workload a 600W PSU "could" (!) be more quiet at the same power level than a 500W PSU.But this is MY opinion and i might be wrong! I'm no PSU expert!
I would buy 1600MHz RAM with CL10 - i don't know why they are so much more expensive in this shop. Here the difference between 1333 CL9 and 1600 CL10 is only ~5€.
But like i wrote above...@numerobis said:
- 1600MHz RAM would be only slightly better (but only maybe 2%) but should be almost in the same price range.
@vigge50 said:
I have change the processor to intel core i7 3770K(can't find the i7 3930)
http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010614052/intel-core-i7-3930k-3-20ghz-12mb-s-2011/
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I found that proccesor later, was looking at 1155 sockets.
When i look at http://www.enermax.outervision.com/index.jsp and fill in all the information i know it says that i need a PSU on 394 W. I now that you need to have some margin but i think 650W is littel overkill.
I found a 16 gig ram for 589:- so i take that insted, not any big different.
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As Numerobis said, you need to take the video card into account, too. Some mid-to-high range cards can be rather power demanding.
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@gaieus said:
As Numerobis said, you need to take the video card into account, too. Some mid-to-high range cards can be rather power demanding.
I now that some graphic card need much power but as i say, i don't going to buy any graphic card, the intel hd graphic 4000 that is in the intel core i7 proseccor is enough for me.
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All right, sorry, I must have overlooked that. Note however that without a dedicated video card, SU may be sluggish (although I have heard of some later integrated chipsets that they can run at least without issues even if not at full power).
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