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  • N Offline
    notareal
    last edited by 12 Feb 2012, 13:22

    @unknownuser said:

    I could do a version with Thea ... if there were interior rendering presets available to pick apart. πŸ’š

    For biased rendering? I'd start from "04. Final Gathering" preset and improve quality if needed. Or perhaps new Adaptive (AMC) from interactive renderer, as it's fairly fast if bias is set high (also enable caustics for better light).

    Welcome to try [Thea Render](http://www.thearender.com/), Thea support | [kerkythea.net](http://www.kerkythea.net/) -team member

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      Stinkie
      last edited by 12 Feb 2012, 15:37

      Hm, I'll try that. Thea's biased engine is still somewhat of a mystery to me. πŸ˜„

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        notareal
        last edited by 12 Feb 2012, 18:31

        @unknownuser said:

        Hm, I'll try that. Thea's biased engine is still somewhat of a mystery to me. πŸ˜„

        You could try this Adaptive (BSD) -preset. Save in "C:\ProgramData\Thea Render\Presets" in Win7. If it feels too slow, downgrade settings towards "04. Final Gathering" -preset. Also you can disable or tune down "Ambient Occlusion" under Render | Biased RT, if it disturbs.
        Also some material tuning may be needed. Under material general, set Perceptual Level(%) to 10,000 if your material has textures (higher will give better quality but difference is small as textures do hide imperfections) also if you have glossy materials you can set they Tracing Depth to 8-12 (if some black areas appear as result of too low tracing depth).


        Final Gathering Interior.zip

        Welcome to try [Thea Render](http://www.thearender.com/), Thea support | [kerkythea.net](http://www.kerkythea.net/) -team member

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          solo
          last edited by 12 Feb 2012, 18:49

          Tom

          Can you share the model? I'd like to play with Thea's biased engine to see what speeds I can get...when I get the time.

          http://www.solos-art.com

          If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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            Stinkie
            last edited by 12 Feb 2012, 22:46

            Pentti -thanks!

            Pete -of course. Tomorrow, after I've dropped of Wee Satan at school. I'll have to take the wall and floor textures out, though -they're from the non-free section of the Podium Component Browser. Did I notice familiar looking plants in there, btw?

            In the meantime, here's a version with the lamp switched on.


            keuken2.jpg

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              stefanq
              last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 10:36

              Looks fantastic Tom. As for the "art on the wall" you can use your own prints.

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                Stinkie
                last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 11:09

                I tried that. Looked "meh". πŸ˜„ So ... it's done. 😎

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                  solo
                  last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 15:53

                  Tom,

                  Firstly thanks for pm'ing me the .skp, Notareal sent me the link to the original model here: http://www.3dallusions.com/Site/Vault/ArchModels/Kitchen_SKP.zip which by the way is horrible as it is totally out of proportion, off axis and spends way more poly's than it needs, yours is nicely optimised...thank you.

                  On opening yours I noticed your setup, which I believe is way more relevant than any render preset/setup. You have used L.E.M's in order to mimic exterior light as well as one to give light behind the camera.

                  setup kitchen.jpg

                  I was instantly reminded of my days with Podium 1 and remember this being the best way to get soft shadows and good even lighting, however I wondered if this was the fastest way (I cannot remember) did or does LEM's come at a speed cost?

                  Does Podium 2 have HDRI support? as I was wondering if deleting the exterior LEM and using Image based lightning would not be faster with even better soft lighting?

                  I'm assuming the LEM behind the camera is to assist and give some light volume as without it all surfaces facing camera would be black, however I am wondering if there was a way of using ISO, shutter speed and f-number settings to enhance lighting without the need for the LEM?

                  What my rambling is about is the setup of scene may actually be just as if not more important than the actual render settings.

                  http://www.solos-art.com

                  If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                    david_h
                    last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 16:04

                    @unknownuser said:

                    I tried that. Looked "meh". πŸ˜„ So ... it's done. 😎

                    On second thought. . .I like it this way. It has a very monastic feel to it. A sort of hypo-Tech Austerity that I find appealing. I think putting a big Andy Warhol or worse a Patrick Nagel 🀒 on the wall would be a bit of a cliche.

                    If I make it look easy...It is probably easy

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                      michaliszissiou
                      last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 17:35

                      If two chairs and two apples, then loneliness could be more obvious. 😎
                      Three chairs? three apples? We all are Stanley Kubrick's funs, aren't we?
                      This is a "strong" image. Well done.
                      It's the Ps work that I don't like much. A fake-volumetric effect could turn the scene to a more dramatical way.

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                        pilou
                        last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 17:50

                        Who lives here ? Mystery is complete! πŸ˜„

                        Frenchy Pilou
                        Is beautiful that please without concept!
                        My Little site :)

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                          marked001
                          last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 18:13

                          beautiful stuff!

                          http://www.revision21vis.com

                          instagram: revi21on

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                            Stinkie
                            last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 21:07

                            Thanks, guys.

                            Michalis -de gustibus. Still, good idea. πŸ’š

                            @solo said:

                            I was instantly reminded of my days with Podium 1 and remember this being the best way to get soft shadows and good even lighting, however I wondered if this was the fastest way (I cannot remember) did or does LEM's come at a speed cost?

                            They did use to slow down rendering a lot, yes. But not anymore: nowadays the speed hit, if any, is negligible.

                            @solo said:

                            Does Podium 2 have HDRI support?

                            No. However, you can use the SU sky to light your scene -hence you can choose colors on the fly. Turn off SU shadows, and you've got nice soft lighting. Not quite the same thing, admittedly, but it's easy, and as you know that's what Podium is about.

                            @solo said:

                            I'm assuming the LEM behind the camera is to assist and give some light volume as without it all surfaces facing camera would be black, however I am wondering if there was a way of using ISO, shutter speed and f-number settings to enhance lighting without the need for the LEM?

                            No. No such settings. I would've added the fill light using any other renderer, though.

                            @solo said:

                            What my rambling is about is the setup of scene may actually be just as if not more important than the actual render settings.

                            The setup is important, obviously. Lighing can make or kill a render. The render preset I used did contribute to the quality of the image, though. More photons, better AA and more blur samples than the stock presets. I also rendered big (5000 x 2694) and then downsampled in Photoshop to further improve the AA. Which, given Podium's speed (36 mins for the 5000 x 2694 image), is a totally viable approach.

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                              solo
                              last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 21:12

                              Your last point is interesting and one I have heard and even used from time to time, render large and reduce in post editing.

                              Have you tested what the time would be to render correct size with higher settings (better AA, etc) in comparison? Just wondering if there is a speed advantage or a quality advantage doing it larger.

                              http://www.solos-art.com

                              If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                                Stinkie
                                last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 21:29

                                @solo said:

                                Have you tested what the time would be to render correct size with higher settings (better AA, etc) in comparison? Just wondering if there is a speed advantage or a quality advantage doing it larger.

                                No, I haven't. AA settings are contained within Podium's render presets. I find it more convenient to render large and downsample than to open up the preset I'm using, edit it etc. Also, altering AA settings, test rendering, altering AA settings again ... can be quite time consuming, and it's a process I'm not always in the mood for.

                                The next version of Podium will give more control over AA via the UI, I believe. Per material AA, or something.

                                @unknownuser said:

                                (...) Patrick Nagel 🀒 (...)

                                I had to look that one up. Ew. 😲

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                                  bigstick
                                  last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 21:52

                                  @kais said:

                                  nice rendering but 53 mins. is too much
                                  now in Lumion 2 you can do it less than 53 sec

                                  Yeah, but the quality won't be the slightest bit comparable. I can make an omelette in around 60 seconds, but I wouldn't like to eat it!

                                  I've seen what Lumion does, I've seen what all the render engines can do. They all have their benefits and drawbacks. Lumion's main benefit is speed, its main drawback is quality. Yes, I'm pretty sure you'll disagree but you'll be wrong - certainly as far as Podium is concerned. πŸ˜„

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                                    david_h
                                    last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 22:05

                                    @unknownuser said:

                                    @unknownuser said:

                                    (...) Patrick Nagel 🀒 (...)

                                    I had to look that one up. Ew. 😲

                                    Yeah .. .Pretty disgusting. that would turn your very elegant modernist expression into a cheesy bachelor pad. The only thing missing would be the hot tub and the gold medallions πŸ’š

                                    If I make it look easy...It is probably easy

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                                      solo
                                      last edited by 13 Feb 2012, 22:25

                                      Patrick Nagel is 30 years too late, it may have worked in the 80's with your Chinese themed black and white shellacked room but today it's just cheesy.

                                      Remember these 80's gems? 🀒

                                      http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpqicoDSup1qcygcoo1_500.jpg

                                      Looks like his rubbish

                                      http://www.solos-art.com

                                      If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                                        Stinkie
                                        last edited by 14 Feb 2012, 00:00

                                        @unknownuser said:

                                        The only thing missing would be the hot tub and the gold medallions πŸ’š

                                        πŸ’š πŸ‘

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                                          congellous
                                          last edited by 16 Feb 2012, 14:18

                                          The set up explanation was interesting and the light around the corner is the clever bit, so is there a key light behind the camera that sounds like a good idea anyway.
                                          What is the QMC setting I know it's results take ages and it looks better but is there anymore tips on this, Thanks

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