Time to put this to rest...
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Is nobody else surprised that one of the VP candidates' spouse is part of an organization which has advocated for having their state secede from the union. I guess I don't understand what people mean when they talk about patriotism.
As opposed to limited contact with a University professor who did some dumb things thirty years ago.
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@schreiberbike said:
As opposed to limited contact with a University professor who did some dumb thingsthirty years ago.
Bombing is a dumb thing...hmmm. I probably wouldn't use that adjective. Wow, it boggles the mind how Obama supporters are so damn eager to overlook this stuff. I guarantee that if McCain had any similar associations, all hell would break loose. Hypocrites all.
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Ron:
I don't at all overlook Ayers' actions in the 60's and 70's!
Obama was in grade school at that time, but yes, did meet Ayers some 30 years later (read the posted article)!
I am not a hypocrite!!! (But I do hear the smacking of hypocrisy in the air :`)Tom.
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i guess its the same way that people overlooked W's coke snorting, drunk driving and close ties with the saudis.
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I sure wouldn't be too happy about getting support from this guy.
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i think God should run the country. And the economy. but not YOUR God. MY God.
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Ron, I just don't get it...I know you know the people here are too intelligent to buy into this kind of crap, ie. transfering any feelings they have about your nutcase onto Obama. By this post I was just debunking one of the lies (yes, lies...deceptive innuendo is a lie) I keep hearing on TV lately.
What are you trying to do: just piss people off?
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What "lie" are you trying to debunk?
Edit: Obama and Ayers served together on a charity board for some 5 years or so and obviously knew each other well enough for Ayers to host a "tea" for him. So they had some sort of relationship. I'm not sure one could call this "palling" around, but this was just pol-speak. -
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Strange thing is with the economy heading south the McCain campaign can only come up with this, no wonder they are trailing in the states they historically win. America is not listening to this negative rhetoric guys, even the rednecks are getting wise to it.
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remember the hanging chads and the voter intimidation in florida 8 years ago? remember weapons of mass distruction? aluminum tubes? torture? the patriot act? indefinite imprisonment with representation? speaking out against the government being unpatriotic?
in the face of this, the Obama-Ayers connection is flimsy at best.
edit: remember...global warming needs more 'research?'
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This is Palin's report card, see SAT's, now c'mon folks is this the idiot you want in Whitehouse?
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It gets worse for Palin!
Just in, Inquiry released, she abused powers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11trooper.html?em
Sucks to be McCain, but then again the negativity had to catch up some time.
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I love the first sentence of the last paragraph of the Times article...thanks for sharing!
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@bellwells said:
I sure wouldn't be too happy about getting support from this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTELooks like you've got something in common with Barack Obama then. He's not happy with it either.
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@bellwells said:
@schreiberbike said:
As opposed to limited contact with a University professor who did some dumb thingsthirty years ago.
Bombing is a dumb thing...hmmm. I probably wouldn't use that adjective. Wow, it boggles the mind how Obama supporters are so damn eager to overlook this stuff. I guarantee that if McCain had any similar associations, all hell would break loose. Hypocrites all.
It seems to me that partisanship is stronger now than at any other time I have been aware of. It's hard for anyone to look objectively at anything which could be called facts. I'm not impartial, but I see people on both sides being ridiculous in how they see the facts. Both the Obama supporters and the McCain supporters have at various times felt like the media was against them. Both have used lines like yours above. Our victim culture is so strong that even when you are running for President, and close to half of the country supports you, it's still someone else's fault when things don't go your way.
If we can't learn to see things from outside of our narrow point of view, this country will go to hell regardless of who is President.
Now, because I'm partisan, I'll respond about Bill Ayers. See if it makes any sense to you.
They were both highly educated, they were both involved in community issues at leadership levels, they were both liberals, they were both college professors, and they lived near each other.
They were either friends or acquaintances for a while.
Obama has played down any relationship while others have played it up.
Bill Ayers did some dumb things in the past. Dumb is closer than terroristic. Read about what he did - if that's your standard for a terrorist, it's not mine. Dumb is also appropriate in comparison with where he is now. He was Chicago’s Citizen of the Year in 1997 and truly is a valuable member of that community.
Regardless, does this have anything to do with who should be President?
Now, you say that if McCain did anything like this, "all hell would break loose." Let's make a list of candidates who have done any bombing. Well, Mr. McCain did more than a bit of that back in Vietnam. There is no question that innocent people were killed in those bombing raids. If he didn't kill innocents, he certainly associated with people who did. I don't hold that against him though. He was in the military. He did it under orders. He did it from thousands of feet from his victims. I haven't heard of anyone who has held this against him.
And, generally over the years, he has been a class act of a guy who believed in honor and dignity. I suspect that coming down to this level has been harder on him than it has on anyone else.
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If you're looking at peoples associations, what about McCains association with Bush who is the biggest bomber of recent times and has not only brought this country to its knees but has wrecked havoc all around the world?
Mike
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All people are associated, at least at the "has shaken hands with"-level. I just started counting. There are 3 people between me and Josef Stalin, and similarly 3 between me and Adolf Hitler. Maybe 2 between me and George W. Bush. I read somewhere that with 5 connections you should be able to reach almost everyone in the world.
Regarding Ms. Palin's report card - In our parts it would be illegal to put the colour of her skin on it.
Anssi
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I appreciate your comments, John. Partisanship does seem to be at an all time high. It is certainly divisive, but it can be destructive as well; hampering quality conversation and debate.
My problem this year is that I have no respect for either candidate (obviously lesser so for Obama). This pisses me off. Even though I voted for Bush in 2004, I held my nose. I'm not doing that ever again. I will only vote for the person I like, no more straight ticket voting. There is a certain freedom that accrues with this attitude.
The liberals can have all the fun they want in bashing Sarah Palin. They should be talking about McCain instead. If Palin's job is to run defense for McCain and deflect attention, it's working, isn't it?
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@solo said:
This is Palin's report card, see SAT's, now c'mon folks is this the idiot you want in Whitehouse?
Do you really believe this is true, Pete? Where did you get this crap? I really detest this kind of shit.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/11/71941/717
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