I Believe (to address the complaints of last week)

[JuanV.Soler]

you are all feeling
well a mouse is not able to draw and change knowledge as we do, no ?
is a mouse
so we have more to answer to the one who created us
i dont think we will be judged by the same lines
or do you ?:)))
no:)
in any case i think it_is much better than being an idiotical_mousely_faced crew or whatever thing just to make it_it up to be another religion

[JuanV.Soler]

i think i understand your point of view modelhead,
i will have to learn that maybe

[tomsdesk]

Well, I'm far from...knowledgeable even, but any of the Eastern religions that believe in reincarnation come to mind (sure there is a hierarchy of life but a soul is a soul). Then the spirit beliefs of Native Americans and Aboriginal societies south of the equator...?

It is my understanding the Book was the first elevate man (or lower God :`) to the status of God's special creation.

[JuanV.Soler]

my name is JuanV
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cheers

[JuanV.Soler]

I prefer to chat with you
good night

[goon of doom]

What this thread is lacking is some scripture from Cornel. If he posts some here it should make all your points and counterpoints moot.
GoD

[Chris Fullmer]

My understanding of your Gpd is that He is alive except that he doesn't still give prophecy for his church like he always has in the passed through prophets. He is alive but chooses to not communicate. His Bible is the ultmiate and only word, except that there are so many versions out there you can interperet it to read however you want, even changing fundamental truths about who He is and what His nature is.

What if God was still speaking to prophets, wouldn't that be interesting? Or if there was more scripture left for us from His prophets, shouldn't find that?

Chris

[cornel]

Dear friends,

I’m not a fanatic guy but there arise inherent controversial discussions because my God is different than yours!

Mine is alive, is true, and His unchangeable Word is The Bible.
“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness;
that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2Tim. 3:16-17)

Mine is not my creation, not my invention or my imagination! I’m part of His creation.

My God has some attributes, such as omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscience, and, because of that, He declared:
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:9)

My God desire that all menkind to be saved:
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

Jesus Christ, His Son, finished that rescue…!

Now,
“… to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority (power, privilege, right) to become the children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name;
Who owe their birth neither to bloods nor to the will of the flesh [that of physical impulse] nor to the will of man [that of a natural father], but to God. [They are born of God!]”
(John 1:12-13)

‘Crystal clear’, isn’t it?!

Cornel

[cornel]

God communicates w/ us in various modalities...

The Bible , written Word of God, won’t be extended, because It is complete.
It is much more greater than our necessities!

Cornel

[JuanV.Soler]

Cornel, which is your point of view about the Corán ?

[cornel]

J.V.S.,

For me, it’s evident that the Coran is a HUMAN masterpiece, because contains a lot of inadvertences and contradictions, inaccurate information, etc.!

Besides that, Mohamed didn’t arise (like Jesus Christ), isn't it?!!

Cornel

[andyc]

So you think there are no contradictions or inaccuracies in the bible ??!!!

[Alan Fraser]

Takes up big wooden spoon and stirs some more:

It's always struck me that omniscience is a complete paradox.

If God is omniscient, then he knows everything that was, is and is to be.

However, everything that we use to define ourselves as human depends utterly on us not knowing what even the next second may bring.
Faith, hope, fear. trepidation, relief, disappointment etc. all rely on an ignorance of what is to come. How could God be disappointed in his people if he already knows what they will do?....and if he doesn't know, then he's not omniscient. Predeterminism is irrelevant; either He knows or he doesn't...pure and simple.

Similarly, if He's not constrained by this linear path of time that we are all treading (and how can he be?) then he knows nothing at all about what it is to be human and mortal....so again, he couldn't be omniscient.

Maybe we exist as a proxy to circumvent this Catch 22. Maybe that's why the Bible tells us to offer it all up to God.

[cornel]

Yes, Andy, there ARE NOT!

Read, please , the entire Bible and you WILL BE CONVINCED!

Cornel

[cornel]

Alan,
At first, conceive, please, to these 2 ‘things’:

1. “… the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Cor. 2:14)

2. “… the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
   And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.” (1 Cor. 3:19-20)

Those 'enigmas' ar parts of REALITY!

Cornel

[ehaflett]

Is God not, then, responsible for our 'craftiness' and 'vanity'? 'He' (his book anyway) discounts any wisdom of anything that does not result in us better knowing him. What would he have us do with the logic and rationality and inquisitiveness and self awarenees and mortality with which he has paradoxically endowed (most of) us? Seems a bit cruel to me.

[cornel]

I’m sorry Ehaflet,
There is no a paradox!

Look, please, in the context of those verses to ‘catch’ The Bible’s idea!

Cornel

[JuanV.Soler]

oh Cornel, i really get lost with your quotes.
besides, why do say such things about the Corán, how can you prove what you say ?
finally : Mahoma died and Jesus Lives,that is been told.
.ok.
but both worship the same GOD

Alan,
Ehaflett, i think Alan is got the answer

[cornel]

Re. "both worship the same GOD*"*...

I don't think so!
Jehova(h) has other character and atributes than Al(l)ah.

Cornel

[JuanV.Soler]

BOTH NAMES COME FROM THE PRIMITIVE NAME OF god -------------- YHVH -------------

dovid krafchow SAYS IN HIS BOOK , THE dANCE OF tHE PIGS,

now take care

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