'Higher IQ=less religous' apparently...
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@cheffey said:
i dunno stinkie, a drunken older Mike isn't that scary. i say take the bottle of jack and knock him out. Then when it comes time for telling the parents about the math grades make note of the fact that hey, you may not be able to calculate an integral but you were able to knock out Mike Tyson.
you know end it on a positive.Good point.
I should add, I feel, that I'm not, for once
, trying my best to insult the American members of this forum. Far from it. I'm trying to convey that, outside of the US, fear is slowly rising. At least to me and my peers it seems that christian fundamentalists are slowly but quite steadily growing in power. This may very well widen the divide between the US and the rest of the world even more. Not a good thing. Could cause serious trouble.We need common ground. And religion ain't gonna be it.
@remus said:
Case in point: those cartoons of Mohamed. Theyre cartoons for gods (
) sake! Theyre designed to take the piss out of stuff. why cant people find it in themselves to not threaten to kill each other whenever something that offends them occurs.Ideologies, be it political or religious ones, make people go bonkers.
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When reading this thread, the profet, whose appearance is not to be represented in a cartoon, is starting to look more and more like Mike tyson as a mental image.
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@unknownuser said:
At least to me and my peers it seems that christian fundamentalists are slowly but quite steadily growing in power. This may very well widen the divide between the US and the rest of the world even more. Not a good thing. Could cause serious trouble.
We need common ground. And religion ain't gonna be it.
Ideologies, be it political or religious ones, make people go bonkers.
I should preface this by saying that I lost people closest to me when I was very young and since that time I've had a "falling out" so to speak with religion.
It is interesting that you say that because here in the US I think that the Christians take a lot of abuse (mostly comedic shots) and it does seem like their rights to freedom of religion are not being upheld as some others are. Not really a two way street anymore and could be an aid to their potential rise as you describe. The traditions of this country are changing and it seems if you are of another faith your exhibition of your religious celebration are welcome while the christians exhibition is prohibited. I'm sure they are having a hard time with that.But maybe the things i describe are not politically related.
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Hm. From where I'm standing, they seem to be exceeding their rights. Of course, I'm sure they wouldn't be thrilled by something like this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/dec/21/evolution.schoolsworldwide
I see your point, though (I think).
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In the end, on a global scale, their is only one religion overruling all the others: the 'money-entology' church.
The big guys that rule the world and do the 'divida et empera', use religion to motivate (mislead) people to fight for the 'good cause', while they are all about gaining more of that silly green paper and to empower the powerful.As Marx once stated: Religion is opium to the people. It keeps them calm or just the opposite, it depends how the leaders want them to be.
I think religion is the most powerful weapon on earth nowadays.I learned as a child, to keep away from weapons and other dangerous stuff.
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well,i read all ur comments and from my point of view i can say that all of u haven t seen a real christian yet.
Cheers!
Elisei
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I actually know a fair few religious people who arent completely crazy, its just the crazy ones seem to stick out a bit more and so are a bit more liable to our rampant criticism and speculation.
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this is the major problem lot of people tell themself and to other that they are christinas
but what christian word meens? answer BEEING LIKE CHRIST
now some of u will laugh,smile other will be indifferent,and few will agree;this is liberty,everyone have the right to do what he wants
I made my choice,if i don t have right,i won t loose anything,but if i have right u ll loose all!
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@ely862me said:
I made my choice,if i don t have right,i won t loose anything,but if i have right u ll loose all!;)
lol. Yeah.
@remus said:I actually know a fair few religious people who arent completely crazy, its just the crazy ones seem to stick out a bit more and so are a bit more liable to our rampant criticism and speculation.
Aye. Some of my friends are religious. In a modern kinda way. I doubt they believe Lucifer exists. They're catholics, but their catholocism has little to do with the kind of "repent or perish!" ideology that had this part of the world (the fair Belgium) firmly in it's claws til the late fifties.
I went to a catholic school when I was young, btw. I liked it. Didn't believe any of what they told me about the world being created in seven days, but they were nice people. Relaxed. They knew I didn't believe in God, and they were fine with that.
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@unknownuser said:
... as it would've mine when I was your age.
This is from one of the comments following the article: "It seems 62% of Americans still believe in 'The devil'.
That ain't true, is it?
Can't be! 
I believe in him. I've seen him. he was on TV. He gave a state of the union speech.
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interesting.
'Higher IQ=less religous' apparently...
now the devil is another thing.
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An interesting subject and one that I often think about.
It's 2.00am as I write and this post and it should send me
off to sleep in the hope that I can switch my time zone from
Mid Atlantic (currently) to GMT
Here is an interesting article by Professor J. Philippe Rushton,
Winters Are Good For Your Genes: Lynn Book Finds World Average
IQ 90, Declining From North To South
http://www.vdare.com/rushton/060322_iq_pic.htmI note he talks about 'Indigenous Peoples' here. According to
his argument, Indigenous Peoples in warm regions have lower
IQ's than people in colder regions. This makes a certain
amount of sense as the people residing in colder regions
have to figure out ways of keeping warm (in our case how to
get cheap oil
). But again we are all supposed to have
originated from Africa so I wonder about this. Maybe we
strengthened a particular type of intelligence?On the other hand there are many types of intelligence, I am
aware of at least nine. Have a look at this link by By Howard Gardner
http://skyview.vansd.org/lschmidt/Projects/The%20Nine%20Types%20of%20Intelligence.htmThe Nine Types of Intelligence[/b]
- Naturalist Intelligence
- Musical Intelligence
- Logical-Mathematical Intelligence
- Existential Intelligence
- Interpersonal Intelligence
- Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence
- Linguistic Intelligence
- Intra-personal Intelligence
- Spatial Intelligence
I know a little about the spiritual believes of the Australian
Aborigines and from what I see they are very complex and make
a lot of sense. I don't think they regard it as 'religion',
more a way of life and I imagine the same goes for African
and South American tribes.Food for thought I hope!
Mike
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Noooooooooo, no syllogisms! Those take me back to, err, 'logic class'. I beg you!
Your comparison's a bit off, btw, Kwist.
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It's an interesting question, though: does the climate influence the way our thinking has evolved? I'd say yes. As the climate influences the way our body evolves, it's only logical to assume that it has a vast influence on our mind as well. Mind you, I'm not using the word 'intelligence'.
But my guess is we'd need alien scientists to be able to get an unprejudiced view on these matters.
Let's not forget either that intelligence isn't a matter of genes (nature) alone. Your upbringing plays an important role (nurture) too. At least, that's what I like to think when I try to do maths.
And as Mike points out, there are different kinds of intelligence. I could read when I was three, but it took me another decade (!) to be able to tell what time it is. And I still have to look twice. Sad? You've said it!
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Very nice reading material, Mike.
Some of the theory is kind of far fetched though:
People in cold areas are more intelligent because they needed to use their brain to find ways to get warmer?
What about people in warm areas that need their brain to find ways to cool off?
These kind of deduction theories smell like 'sophisms' to me." 1) I fit in a suit---> 2) My suit fits in a suit case---> 3) so I fit in the suit case."
compare to:
"1) being cold makes me use my brain ---> 2) using my brain makes me more intelligent---> 3) being cold makes me more intelligent."Kind of same mistake, not?
It is not because 1('thesis') and 2('anti-thesis') makes a logical pair , that 1-3 ('conclusio') automatically becomes a logical truth.It might have confused people in the age of Sophocles , but it doesn't make an impression on me.
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It depends on who is using the word 'intelligence'.
For Western people, knowing how to tell the time by looking at a watch is considered more intelligent than being able to pick fruit from a tree.
Ask the same question to Non-Western people, and they might conclude that those who are good at picking fruit are the geniuses...and telling time is something useless, not done by more intelligent people.
= 'Antropocentrism' (= I measure other cultures by my own standards)
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@kwistenbiebel said:
Ask the same question to Non-Western people, and they might conclude that those who are good at picking fruit are the geniuses...and telling time is something useless, not done by more intelligent people.
I've always known I was adopted.
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Hehe. I just looked at the map at the beginning of that article. It suggests that most Aussies walk around with their knuckles dragging on the ground.
I presume it is referring to the aboriginal population.Personally, I find the climatic reasoning to be total garbage. True, keeping warm in Northern temperate regions does require more strategies than lying around on some tropical beach, spearing fish and eating coconute and bananas all day. But that is nothing compared to the strategies applied by the Inuit, Kalahari Bushmen...or Aborigines simply to find enough food to eat. Logically, that ought to make them the most intelligent people on earth...maybe they are...it surely depends on how you measure it, free from "Western" preconceptions.
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...but I bet you have a full fruit basket on your kitchen table.
(sorry, couldn't resist kicking in an open door, Stinkie )
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