SU7 news!
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@unknownuser said:
@unknownuser said:
marching steadily in the direction of GE
....no doubt about it.
So Lewis...cannonball what are you using??
Sorry, I was away this morning...teaching a bunch of graduate architecture students 3D design using Rhino 4.
That should answer your question though. It's a shame...one of my greatest frustrations is the lack (as far as I can tell) of a real forum(I hate to use the hackneyed term "online community") of dedicated souls like SCF but devoted to Rhino. Blender is another matter though...those guys have found religion.
Of course, on Thursdays I teach a different set of grad students 3D design using SU, but they immediately start asking me how to do various things ("I need a smooth curve like this, I need to model thisGehry thing for studio, I need to be able to make a model thiscomplicated, I need to get thisrendered like a photo...") and I end up spending time trying to explain how to get their vestigial models into another program. And then I must grasp for reasons that they shouldn't just use some other program from start to finish.
I really hope, Craig, that you guys have something great to show me at Basecamp. It's hard being an advocate for a program I rarely use for my own work now.
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...high poly support for google warehouse?!?
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There are many requests it seems so why not help the folks at Google out and make a list of the three most important features you would like to see in a new thread, this way we can tally up the totals afterwards and give them a clear indication what us old faithful truly need?
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Excellent idea.
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forget it
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...especially the SketchUp faithful.
Now,
it depends who holds that faith .@last or Google ?
Obviously it is Google .
So the way has been to get you tube inside .
At least the 7th version will clarify that once and for ever.
God willing it could be soon seen .
the last .
Solo,
it has been spoken so many times ...
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From something Aidan said to my yesterday at the AIA convention, I think we should all consider Youtube export in 7 a given.
Aidan was actually quite enthusiastic about Youtube videos from SketchUp, and shocked that anyone wouldn't be.
Now, I know I wrote "Aaarrrrggggghhhh!" or something earlier at the prospect, but even prior to talking to Aidan I'd begun to reconsider.
One of the graduate classes I teach for fellow SCF member Diego at the BAC is called "3D Modeling & Illustration." I cover SketchUp techniques but also the way SketchUp is used (or should be used, given my experience) in an architecture firm as a design development and illustration tool. Final project for the class is a month-long development of an architectural scheme followed by a presentation, which I require to be a digital slide-show of some kind with supplemental animations. I am not prescriptive concerning the programs used for that presentation...Powerpoint, Open Office, Layout, whatever.
One of my students this last class, which ended Thursday, did his presentation entirely using Google Docs.
Notice this provision in GD:
http://docs.google.com/support/presentations/bin/answer.py?answer=94194&topic=11968
My student's show was really effective. I already use the Google Doc word processor and spreadsheet functions. Now I'm thinking I might use this GD Presentation/Youtube combo myself next time I have to present a multimedia item...you can be certain at the very least that the embedded Youtube will work in a Google Doc Presentation, and that's more than I can say for video files embedded in Powerpoint or Acrobat slideshow (always a hit-or-miss undertaking in my experience). Of course, there is that stupid trademarked insignia in the corner of the video, but after a moment you stop noticing it. If you are clever, you mask it out with a filled shape.
So, on second thought, I think I'm not unhappy at all about integration between SketchUp and Youtube (and thereby Google Docs). One more free and useful tool.
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Lewis,
I agree, a Youtube connection can be cool and useful, but you will kindly agree that the handy ones among us already can put a SU video on Youtube easily if needed without it being an 'new feature' in SU 7.On the other hand, even the handiest one among us, using SU, won't be able to model a really high poly scene without SU going fuzzy.
It's about priorities, and to me Google doesn't set them right.
Did anyone ask for a Youtube connection?Regards,
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Or a GPS tracker so you can see where you are modeling on Google earth?
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They are a for-profit company that gives away major applications for free.
Ask yourself: why should they care what you want, or I want? You should have seen the crowd around the Google booth.
All right, you're on your own now. No more news from me.
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...I wonder how long it will take 'till Google Sketchup simply will become a web application.
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Too bad, I enjoyed it a lot. Thanks for taking the effort at AIA to ask the things we are all curious about.
We can't be blamed being a tough crowd, as the thing that binds us here is 3D modeling.
If this would have been a GE forum, our comments would have been out of place...But I guess you are right. We represent just a niche market.
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Cheers form me as well lewis, i enjoyed reading your mini interviews. Good to hear from the people themselves as ell.
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is there a possibility that su7 will be free for commercial and private use?
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Already SU 6 is free for both private and commercial use. There was a restriction in the free version of SU 5 (could not use for commercial purposes) but there is none in SU 6.
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Good morrow, gentles.
Well, I'm finally back (and unjetlagged) from the AIA, having spent the full 3 days there. The FF booth was right next door to Autodesk and about 30 ft away from Google...and we had plenty to talk about with both. I spoke with Aidan, Bryce, John Bacus and Peter Saal. We spoke about stuff I can't repeat here and there is much that they still can't tell me directly...but these are good guys...fully committed to the kind of SketchUp that most people here have grown fond of; and I am fully convinced that developments in that field will continue.It ought to be remembered that SU never was an AEC-specific tool, it was developed as a general-purpose modeller-far-all. It just happened to get latched onto by many architects and the like because it deals very easily with rectilinear shapes, which is their main stock in trade....and of course many of its developers come from an AEC background.
The fact that it was acquired by Google makes perfect sense. It will continue to develop aspects which some here might see as just eye-candy, but that doesn't mean that it won't continue to develop tools specific to AEC and related industries. I can't tell you what I know...or even if I know any more than other beta testers...all that is covered by the NDA. But I can tell you that I'm optimistic about the future.In any case, many of the things that some people regard as eye-candy actually turn out to be pretty useful to other people, or even to initial doubters when they dig a little deeper. Google is a web-based company, so it ought to be no surprise that everything they own is going to serve that end to some degree or other. The YouTube link is one such case. It fits right in alongside other stuff like Google Docs Google Apps and Google Gardgets.
It has been a while since the last version...about 16 months...but that is quite reasonable. Adobe averages 18 - 24 months and I don't see much wailing and gnashing of teeth and predictions that there never will be a new version among their userbase. The program is simply too sophisticated these days to expect an upgrade same time every year.
Am I just shooting the breeze? Well, some of you may remember that a couple of weeks ago I advised someone to wait on investing in anything to put an interactive SU model on their website...then I protected my NDA by showing a 3D Flash file I did a while ago which rotated when you pulled the mouse across it. Well, guess what. http://sketchup.google.com/download/plugins.html#gsuwebexporter
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Thanks for the heads-up, Alan..!!
Very interesting reading indeed..!!
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Hey Alan, thanks for the news.
It's great to have spies all around...And the 'Web exporter' concept is actually pretty neat!
***Google SketchUp Web Exporter (Beta)
Last updated: May 9, 2008
The Google SketchUp Web Exporter (Beta) allows you to enable a simple interactive view of your model for any web page without a browser plugin. This is an early release intended for web developers who are interested in adding dynamic 3D content to their website, or are interested in an example from which to start writing their own interaction for the browser. Learn more about how to use the Google SketchUp Web Exporter.Requirements: The plugin works only on the PC, but the results are cross-platform and cross-browser. Access to web hosting services (e.g., pages.google.com) are needed to publish your results.***
[flash=425,355:17e38m6f]http://www.youtube.com/v/j0Tmlko5YTU&hl=en[/flash:17e38m6f]
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The thing I like about the Web Exporter (we're calling it Thumbspin at FF) is that being just an image series, it's totally secure. That new online SU clone, 3DVia ShapeIt has a sister program (also free) called 3DVia Printscreen. This is a 3D screen grabber, probably based on the OGLE application (OpenGLExtractor). This means that nothing in OpenGL (or DirectX) is safe. You can grab the geometry from any 3D model displayed onscreen in OpenGL. It won't save the hierarchy, but if you can see it, you can grab it...game characters included.
Be careful what you post out there, or...come to think of it...you can now populate your models with characters from GTA4. 3DVia seem to have no qualms about hosting these grabs on their site, but I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of litigation was heading their way.
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I've used OGLE (I wrote the thread on the old SketchUp Forums on how to use it to pull GE cities into SU) and read the whitepaper on 3DVia. The latter's a branch of Dassault...perhaps the ties to the French military-industrial-complex make them think they can get away with giving away a free screen grabber. As far as I could tell, to get what you grab from 3DVia into SU, you need a translator for their proprietary 3D format. The only thing I could find to do that was one of the more expensive pro versions of Adobe Acrobat.
Sorry I missed you at the convention, Alan. It didn't occur to me until they threw us out on Saturday that I had never stopped by FF.
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