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    • jenujacobJ Offline
      jenujacob
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      i assume u havnt made any changes in the materials???
      i guess u better post this in the KT forum.... 😕

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        pichuneke
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        Yes, I didn't make any changes to materials. I have no idea about this 😳

        I am looking for a solution in Google. As my english and knowledge are limited, I didn't know that the key word was "light leak". If I can't find anything, I will post my problem in Kerkythea Forums.

        Forgive my spanglish...

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          pichuneke
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          Now I know that is a bug, but is not my fault. The light leaks appear under Photon Map mode, not with the others.

          The images below show you what I say, under different presets.

          PHOTON MAP FINE + AA 0.3

          http://i12.tinypic.com/7ynuh78.jpg

          PHOTON MAP FINE + CAUSTICS + AA 0.3

          http://i11.tinypic.com/87artwz.jpg

          RAY TRACING HIGH + AA 0.3

          http://i9.tinypic.com/8bdulc7.jpg

          PATH TRACING HIGH + AA 0.3

          http://i12.tinypic.com/6y34pw4.jpg

          After doing a quick test, Metropolis Light Transport seems to work well, too.

          So now I am not nervous, and I know that I can continue with my work. I was doing it well.

          Forgive my spanglish...

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            pichuneke
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            I have tried to start a chorintian capital, that's what I have done untill now:

            http://i11.tinypic.com/6krmc7m.jpg

            I used a photo of a capital (Gaeius, you know what I am talking about 😉 ).

            I drew the figure over a photograph, and then I did something like a tutorial I can't find now, I used intersections to make it. And then I adjusted it manually.

            The size now is 147 kb, but the photo is 55 ,kb. I believe I can use 500 kb for the entire capital.

            Forgive my spanglish...

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              pichuneke
              last edited by

              This is the actual situation of the capital:

              http://i5.tinypic.com/6kp7xvb.jpg

              about 230 kb

              Forgive my spanglish...

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                pichuneke
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                About 290 kb:

                http://i3.tinypic.com/6tp0i3d.jpg

                Forgive my spanglish...

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                  pichuneke
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                  A render of the capital. It is almost finished, I have to work on some details yet.

                  The size is 371 kb at the moment 😄

                  http://i15.tinypic.com/80wx9x0.png

                  Forgive my spanglish...

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                  • GaieusG Offline
                    Gaieus
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                    And you were asking for tutorials on this!
                    😄

                    Great job, really (just keep in mind to put these on a hidden layer while modelling).

                    Gai...

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                      pichuneke
                      last edited by

                      Well...

                      "Do or do not. There is not "try"" 😆 😆 😆

                      Forgive my spanglish...

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                      • GaieusG Offline
                        Gaieus
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                        I've put together a couple of types of the Ionic order (more or less complete) but haven't been able to create "easy-to-follow" tutorials from them yet.
                        They require external plugins (ruby scripts).

                        Gai...

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                          pichuneke
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                          Ionic Order is easier than corinthian, so I am not afraid now 😄

                          If you are interested, when I finish the capitals I upload them here as an attachement.

                          I believe that today I will finish the corinthian column. And then I will have for my first time the known problem of "I want to replace this old component for this new one in the same geometrical position". I believe that is a classic...

                          Edit: the exact Ionic capital I need is "Italic Ionic". A friend of mine (the other model I told you) is looking for information about it.

                          Forgive my spanglish...

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                          • GaieusG Offline
                            Gaieus
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                            Yes there is a difference in the Greek Ionic and the Italian one (I mean the Roman interpretation of the classical Ionic order).

                            The problem in English language that they only have one word for this - "Ionic" (derivation of the Latin "Ionica") - which in Vitruvian use only refers to the Italian one.

                            The main dufference is that while the Greek loooks really like a scroll (so it it symmetrical from two sides and then another symmetry applies to the other two sides), the Italian is symmetrical from all 4 sides (has the shape of the abacus something like that of your Corinthian capital and the volutae torn in a bend to form similar scroll on the corners).

                            This was implemented by the Romans after the Greeks, too, however because on the corners of the temples the Greeks had to "cheat" as well. Now the Romans used these +cheated corners" for all 4 corners of their capitals and this way they can ba all alike.

                            But too many words - I should just make a couple of sketches instead...

                            Gai...

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                              pichuneke
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                              Due to my deep knowledge of Shakespeare's language, and to my superb capacity of comprehension... I haven't understood a single word, Gaieus 😆

                              Yes, I believe that you are telling me that the greek Ionic is different from the roman Ionic, the roman one has a more elaborated capital. And I believe that I have seen that difference on the net (I can't remember where).

                              But this January I am going to have a lot of work, and all the big progress that you have seen this week is going to be slowed 😒

                              So, be patient, please. The first thing I have to do is to investigate the famous single and eroded fragment of Ionic capital found in the area of the "Porticus in summa gradatione" in the roman theatre in Cartagena.

                              I am mixing latin with english and my brain is going to explode 😆

                              So, be patient, please 😄

                              Forgive my spanglish...

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                              • GaieusG Offline
                                Gaieus
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                                @unknownuser said:

                                I am mixing latin with english and my brain is going to explode 😆

                                Never mind, I know some Latin and at least I understand what you are writing. 😆

                                Gai...

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                                  pichuneke
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                                  A vandal has appeared in the roman theatre of Cartago Nova.

                                  Members of the Legion are looking for this person. Graffitis are being cleaned at this moment. At least you can see the actual situation of the construction of the theatre.

                                  Signed:

                                  Pichunekus Maximus, Praetor.

                                  http://i17.tinypic.com/6ksfvdj.jpg

                                  Forgive my spanglish...

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                                  • GaieusG Offline
                                    Gaieus
                                    last edited by

                                    Hehe... That's Brian's Life... (Life of Brian???)

                                    Gai...

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                                      pichuneke
                                      last edited by

                                      I can inform you that we have a suspected of commiting this:

                                      http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8

                                      😆

                                      Forgive my spanglish...

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                                      • GaieusG Offline
                                        Gaieus
                                        last edited by

                                        Yesss!
                                        😄

                                        Gai...

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                                          pichuneke
                                          last edited by

                                          A New theory for a secondary use of the Frons Scaenae in Roman Theatres has been developed by Dr. Moebius Co&Jones:

                                          http://i32.tinypic.com/2a69lhc.jpg

                                          🤣 (it's a joke for the spanish forums that perhaps you are not going to understand, the buildings sourrunding the roman theatre have a lot of this "esthetic" element and it's my idea of fighting against this "contrast" 😛 )

                                          And I began the basilicae. To make work the columns in its proper way, I had to stretch part of the wall. It's a sollution I seen in Medina Azahara, (an arabian palace in Spain), but I don't know if Romans did it. Perhaps I should build walls thinner. Anyway is a part of the theatre with few elements known. Even the Ionic style is not known, I chose it because I had a ionic capital without use. The half columns may be wrong... I don't know.

                                          I need orientation of an archeologist about that, as the people in the spanish forums have no idea (Gaieus... 💚 )

                                          http://i27.tinypic.com/eah7x5.jpg

                                          http://i32.tinypic.com/2rfzozm.jpg

                                          Forgive my spanglish...

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                                          • GaieusG Offline
                                            Gaieus
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                                            I don't understand what you mean by "stretching" the walls, sorry. Also pictures with lines shown would be better for it is a bit hard to see the details without them.

                                            From what was found (I guess at least the foundations) you should be able to tell the thickness of the walls. But use the same thickness all the way up (the Romans did not change it as they were advancing upwards) if that is your problem. If the problem is the transition between the Ionic capitals and the arches, you can use abaci for that (that is the "regular" way - also they usually used something that resembles the architrave and the friese crowned by a cornice).

                                            Gai...

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