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    • medeekM Offline
      medeek
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      The gutter extension is how much the gutter extends past the rake board on a gable roof, this does not apply to a hip roof or dutch hip roof.

      http://superiorgutters.net/wp-content/uploads/drip-edge-ext.jpg

      The vertical offset is the distance the gutter drops down from the top edge of the fascia board, the default is zero.

      With a metric template the dimensions are given in mm or metres with the grid shown in cm. In US units dimensions are in inches or feet with the grid shown in inches.

      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
      Medeek Engineering Inc
      design.medeek.com

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      • medeekM Offline
        medeek
        last edited by

        SketchUp Essentials has put together a nice overview of the plugin.

        I've been talking to Justin and I may have him put together some tutorials for me. My videos are quite bland compared to his presentation.

        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
        Medeek Engineering Inc
        design.medeek.com

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        • jujuJ Offline
          juju
          last edited by

          @medeek said:

          Post or send me a sketch of the D-Style and I can add it in.

          trade information on this one seems to be terrible. See attached PDF, page 11/12 has a diagram of sorts...


          DPI Plastics plumbing & drainage fittings Aug 2011 - low resolution.pdf

          Save the Earth, it's the only planet with chocolate.

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          • medeekM Offline
            medeek
            last edited by

            The D-style profile is very interesting mathematically. Its not quite an ellipse but it really has no flats so it is actually more than a rectangle with fillets since the curvature is continous. I'm going to say it can best be approximated by a superellipse with n = 2.5:

            http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/7/1/171490937fc13b93677c00b8c80ffb76.png

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            Superellipse - Wikipedia

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            For modeling purposes though it is probably easiest just to model it as a rectangle with fillets. As such it can be defined with five dimensions, four linear and one radius.

            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
            Medeek Engineering Inc
            design.medeek.com

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            • medeekM Offline
              medeek
              last edited by

              D-Style Gutter:

              http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su300_800.jpg

              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
              Medeek Engineering Inc
              design.medeek.com

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              • jujuJ Offline
                juju
                last edited by

                Looks good, how about a radius field to control the curvature?

                Save the Earth, it's the only planet with chocolate.

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                • medeekM Offline
                  medeek
                  last edited by

                  @juju said:

                  Looks good, how about a radius field to control the curvature?

                  The field with the "R" is the radius, I've uploaded version 2.0.4d so you can test it out. Let me know if there are more appropriate default values to use for the dimensions.

                  I just noticed the units are missing from the screenshot of the D-style gutter, I'll fix that.

                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                  design.medeek.com

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                  • medeekM Offline
                    medeek
                    last edited by

                    Since I'm adding in gutters I should probably add in fascia and soffits, yet another tab in the global settings.

                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                    design.medeek.com

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                    • D Offline
                      dpaul
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                      Gutters, downspouts, and other pieces of your trusses/roof plugin will be of value to us, of course.

                      But since you are now widening the use and scope of the plugin to roofs and entablatures themselves, can I suggest a close look at GET YOUR HOUSE RIGHT--architectural elements to use & avoid-- by MARIANNE CUSATO?

                      I believe studying the parameters she highlights as historically correct can only be of real help to how you precisely lay out new plugin parameters (for example, how the half-round gutter fits on the entablature, or how 'poor man's greek return' could be done easily and accurately. And so on....).

                      All best.

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                      • medeekM Offline
                        medeek
                        last edited by

                        @dpaul said:

                        Gutters, downspouts, and other pieces of your trusses/roof plugin will be of value to us, of course.

                        But since you are now widening the use and scope of the plugin to roofs and entablatures themselves, can I suggest a close look at GET YOUR HOUSE RIGHT--architectural elements to use & avoid-- by MARIANNE CUSATO?

                        I believe studying the parameters she highlights as historically correct can only be of real help to how you precisely lay out new plugin parameters (for example, how the half-round gutter fits on the entablature, or how 'poor man's greek return' could be done easily and accurately. And so on....).

                        All best.

                        Bought it and a couple others for good measure. I'm still working on the straight skeleton but I'm also wanting to add in some of the finishing touches to a roof so that the plugin can actually be utilized by architects and designers.

                        The roof, and the entire structure for that matter, is similar to the human body. The trusses and framing is only the skeleton. We need all of the other components to make the assembly whole.

                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                        design.medeek.com

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                        • medeekM Offline
                          medeek
                          last edited by

                          Preview of the E-Style or "Box Gutter":

                          http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su301_800.jpg

                          Note that I've also added the downspout options and parameters. The units don't show in this screen shot but they will within the plugin.

                          This type of gutter is probably more common in commercial applications.

                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                          Medeek Engineering Inc
                          design.medeek.com

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                          • jujuJ Offline
                            juju
                            last edited by

                            Attached ZIP file with some PDF's and DWG's of frequently used system, at least in South Africa. The files may be relatively old, but they are still current.

                            I think the profiles relate closely to some of the various style variants you refer to.


                            Watertite.zip

                            Save the Earth, it's the only planet with chocolate.

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                            • medeekM Offline
                              medeek
                              last edited by

                              Version 2.0.5 - 11.05.2017

                              • Added gutters and downspouts for rafter and truss hip roofs.
                              • Gutter menu added to the global settings.
                              • Custom roof layer added for gutters in the layer menu within the global settings.

                              http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su302_800.jpg

                              http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su303_800.jpg

                              I still need to add gutters and downspouts to the gable roofs (truss and rafter).

                              Four gutter types with two different downspout types.

                              This is a new feature so please send me your feedback and I will try to address all of the issues.

                              The gutter shown is a 6" half round with a 2.75" round downspout. The gutter and downspouts are separate solids so that one can easily adjust the placement of the downspouts after the fact.

                              The downspout angle is 15 degrees, with a 3" drop out of the gutter and a downspout center line radius of 3".

                              View model here:

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                              3D Warehouse

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                              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                              Medeek Engineering Inc
                              design.medeek.com

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                              • medeekM Offline
                                medeek
                                last edited by

                                http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su304_800.jpg

                                K-Style gutter with "2x3" downspouts.

                                I may need to add a few more user configurable variables:

                                • offset from bldg. corner (currently I have it offset 0" from the framing)
                                • offset from framed wall (currently I have it offset 1" from the framing)
                                • downspout radius (currently set at 3" @ CL)
                                • downspout drop (currently set at 3" before the first bend)

                                Right now these values are all hard coded into the plugin.

                                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                Medeek Engineering Inc
                                design.medeek.com

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                                • medeekM Offline
                                  medeek
                                  last edited by

                                  Version 2.0.5b - 11.06.2017

                                  • Fixed a minor bug with the downspout module, downspout solid is now a uniform extrusion with no unnecessary seams or edges.

                                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                                  design.medeek.com

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                                  • medeekM Offline
                                    medeek
                                    last edited by

                                    Version 2.0.5c - 11.07.2017

                                    • Fixed a minor bug with the gutter layer for installation upgrades of the plugin.

                                    If you have version 2.0.5b please upgrade to this version or be sure to open up the global settings and click on the layers tab, this will create the default gutter layer setting.

                                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                                    design.medeek.com

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                                    • medeekM Offline
                                      medeek
                                      last edited by

                                      Version 2.0.6 - 11.10.2017

                                      • Added gutters and downspouts for rafter and truss gable roofs.
                                      • Added gutters and downspouts for dutch gable rafter roofs.

                                      I still need to add gutters to monoslope truss roofs, shed roofs and some other specialized truss roofs. Adding the gutters to the common truss roof became slightly more complicated when I realized I also had to deal with roof returns and their various configurations.

                                      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su305_800.jpg

                                      This gable roof has a hip return with fully wrapped gutter, you can also choose to half wrap or no wrap (linear gutter only at eaves, does not wrap around corner).

                                      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su306_800.jpg

                                      The dutch gable is really no different than the regular hip roof, when it comes to the gutter and its configuration, but internally it is a completely different set of advanced options.

                                      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                      Medeek Engineering Inc
                                      design.medeek.com

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                                      • pbacotP Offline
                                        pbacot
                                        last edited by

                                        Very nice looking models!

                                        MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                                        • medeekM Offline
                                          medeek
                                          last edited by

                                          Half wrap of a hip roof return:

                                          http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su307_800.jpg

                                          http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su308_800.jpg

                                          All of the gutters and downspouts are constructed as solids so that it is easy to manipulate them with Pro's boolean tools or other third party solid tools.

                                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                          Medeek Engineering Inc
                                          design.medeek.com

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                                          • medeekM Offline
                                            medeek
                                            last edited by

                                            Version 2.0.6b - 2017.11.11

                                            I've added a text file in the materials sub-folder that allows one to modify the available materials (colors) for the gutters within the global settings menu.

                                            The default values are:

                                            8B4513:BROWN
                                            B87333:COPPER
                                            C0C0C0:SILVER
                                            FFD700:GOLD
                                            8B0000:DARK RED
                                            0000CD:MEDIUM BLUE
                                            006400:DARK GREEN
                                            556B2F:DARK OLIVE GREEN
                                            FFFFF0:IVORY

                                            If all of these custom materials are deleted then only "white" will be available "FFFFFF" in the global settings.

                                            The first six letters is the RGB value for the color, the description after the colon is the color name.

                                            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                            Medeek Engineering Inc
                                            design.medeek.com

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