3D Truss Models

medeek

Based on what you are saying the Design/Development stage is still done largely in Chief Architect, ArchiCAD or Revit. SketchUp is assigned 1st stage only as a quick development tool. This is very similar to my own workflow. I sometimes will use SketchUp to quickly generate a 3D model for the customer but in the end I use AutoCAD to generate all of the construction documents. For me there is a big disconnect between both of these softwares and I end up redrawing everything manually within AutoCAD which is less than desirable.

Given that SketchUp is mostly used for stage 1 development then a detailed framing plugin would not be used at this stage. Basically the other softwares Chief Architect etc... have got this covered.

I appreciate you spelling out the current state of design workflow for a typical designer, this helps put things in more perspective and validates my own concerns and thinking.

@everyone

I do think a more advanced version of Housebuilder is something I should add as a separate plugin to compliment this plugin. I've actually had a number of requests from people on that.

About 50% of the features of the plugin have been driven by users requests. Feedback has been critical to the development and direction. Please continue to send in requests and I will do my very best to make them a reality.

facer

To be clear I am saying there are TWO STAGES in Design Development.

Stage 1 - This is the first look at the issues for discussion with a better understanding of the problem.
As noted SketchUp is the easier tool to use as it allows quick studies in a short
timeframe.

Stage 2 - This is undertaken when the "plan" is becoming "locked in" and only minor changes
are expected. At this stage the PRIMARY CAD PROGRAM ( ArchiCad, Revit or other)
are used as prior to SketchUp v16 the 3D model in SketchUp was "dumb" and their was
no link to the PRIMARY PROGRAM.

         **This has now changed with IFC classifications** (Industry Foundation Classification)
         of components that can be "read or interpreted by the PRIMARY PROGRAM.

         As a result the use of IFC will likely extend the use of SketchUp into
         Design Development Stage 2 **as CAD work done there is not "lost"**

         For medium to large firms (say 5 people plus) the cost of using a CAD operator on
         the PRIMARY PROGRAM is higher than using a second level CAD operator using SketchUp.
         Recent graduates from the schools of architecture are a good example of a
         second level CAD operator.  
         
         The cost of SketchUp Pro and plugins is substantially less than a PRIMARY PROGRAM.
         This would allow say two second level CAD operators to feed a PRIMARY CAD operator.
         This is all speculative on my part but the driving force is time and money, so it
         seems likely.

         Given this evolving change (if it happens?) plugins like 3D Truss will become
         more useful.

         Hope this clarifies my previous note.

medeek

One thing is for certain, I really need to incorporate the IFC classifications into the plugin. I've done some reading on the IFC but I'm still as yet a little unclear how to implement it.

At this point the plugin is still in a state of infancy, so it is safe to say it really is hard to gauge how much use or popularity it could have within the design community. I should probably continue to develop it as time allows and perhaps in a year or so I should have a better picture of what sort of following it might have.

I guess the honest question I would like to ask the SketchUp community is: Is this plugin something you need or would like to see?

If the answer is "no", then I have other ideas for plugins that I can divert my attention to.

If the answer is "yes", then I would like to continue developing this plugin and spend as much of my free time as possible to accelerate its development.

Here is the one question survey:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/59ZSZ8N

With the results here:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-TRZQ36SW/

facer

Your Survey will get lost in the comments etc. in this current thread.
Can it be entered as a "stand alone" survey as a NEW THREAD ENTRY.

Here is an example of what the Survey Question could look like:

Medeek Truss - Survey - please answer one question to assist plugin developer.

Go to survey - https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/59ZSZ8N

Results of survey - https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-TRZQ36SW/

Question:
Is the Medeek Truss plugin something you need or would like to see?
(thread to 3D Truss Models, Medeek Truss plugin - http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=323%26amp;t=63133)

Your Answer:
Yes or No in survey.
Plugin Developers Comment:
If the answer is "no", then I have other ideas for plugins that I can divert my attention to.

If the answer is "yes", then I would like to continue developing this plugin and spend as much of my free time as possible to accelerate its development.

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*I guess the honest question I would like to ask the SketchUp community is: Is this plugin something you need or would like to see?

If the answer is "no", then I have other ideas for plugins that I can divert my attention to.

If the answer is "yes", then I would like to continue developing this plugin and spend as much of my free time as possible to accelerate its development.

Here is the one question survey:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/59ZSZ8N

With the results here:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-TRZQ36SW/*

KrisM

Nathaniel,

I love your plug-in. However, I did find a restriction which affects what I normally do. I would normally consider the truss overhang to include the sub fascia. So for example, if I had a 24" overhang, the actual length of the truss tail would be 1' 10 1/2". To input the truss overhang, you present a drop down list which doesn't allow me to input this number. I'm not sure why you give a drop down list for this particular value but it would be nice to input a different value. Your use of drop down lists and user inserted values seems entirely appropriate in all the other fields, just not for this one.
KrisM

medeek

@krism said:

Nathaniel,

I love your plug-in. However, I did find a restriction which affects what I normally do. I would normally consider the truss overhang to include the sub fascia. So for example, if I had a 24" overhang, the actual length of the truss tail would be 1' 10 1/2". To input the truss overhang, you present a drop down list which doesn't allow me to input this number. I'm not sure why you give a drop down list for this particular value but it would be nice to input a different value. Your use of drop down lists and user inserted values seems entirely appropriate in all the other fields, just not for this one.
KrisM

In the metric version I have this completely open. I think the original idea was to try and restrict the users to appropriate values for the overhangs. I will look into this and correct it, your right it makes no sense to restrict the values with a drop down list. Thank-you for bringing this to my attention.

medeek

I've had a user complaint about the high frequency with which I have released updates to the plugin on the SketchUcation website. I will try to combine some of the smaller updates into less frequent larger updates so that the PluginStore does not feel like I am spamming them with updates.

When I make a bug fix or add a new feature I do like to get it out there as soon as possible but perhaps a weekly or bi-weekly updates is more realistic.

Complaint was posted to the YouTube tutorial video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyHuGR6nwpg

medeek

Version 1.3.8 - 03.10.2016

Added wireframe (temporary) graphics to the truss positioning tool.
Added Boise Cascade BCI I-joists: 4500, 5000, 6000, 6500, 60, 90.
Rim joist option enabled for BCI floor joists.

The screenshot above shows the wireframe that is displayed for common truss types.

medeek

Removed drop down list for all overhang lengths (truss & rafter roofs). Overhangs are now users inserted values.

KrisM

Thanks for altering the drop down list. As far as the frequency of your updates...I see nothing wrong with what you're doing. Keep up the good work.

Garry K

I'm averaging updating my current plugin every 5 calendar days without any complaints. I see nothing wrong with getting the updates out fairly quickly.

I am fairly good at incremental version numbers. When the plugin checks in with my web service it gets the current version from my web site and notifies the user that a new update is available if the version number is different. Works fine when I don't miss changing the plugins version number.

medeek

@krism said:

Thanks for altering the drop down list. As far as the frequency of your updates...I see nothing wrong with what you're doing. Keep up the good work.

The fix wasn't a big deal, but I had hard coded in the drop down lists in quite a few spots so I had to pull them all out and replace them. Let me know if you have any issues. I tested as many scenarios with the update as I could. I appreciate your feedback, this is what makes the plugin that much better.

medeek

A request by a potential user has got me thinking about Vulcraft (steel) and RedBuilt (steel and wood) open-web trusses for commercial applications. I noticed that on both of their websites they have either Revit models or Revit add-ins for generating their product geometry within Revit. I have contacted both companies about obtaining geometry for SketchUp. Does anyone have any other commercial truss products that they use on a regular basis?

medeek

This is a study of hip roof framing where unequal pitches meet at the hip (90 deg. to each other). In this case the birdsmouth cut is 3.5" for all jack and common rafters. The hip rafter is dropped and off center so that it lines up with the roof planes.

I assumed that the governing design criteria was that the sub-fascia line up hence the steeper pitch roof has a smaller overhang.

View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=ue065475f-8b68-4434-a933-776055f50175

I haven't gone through and created the calculations yet for the plugin but the one thing that jumped out at me was the necessity to offset the hip rafter slightly from the hip centerline when a dropped hip rafter is employed. Please review the model and let me know if there are any problems with the way this comes together.

medeek

Another study of hip roof framing where unequal pitches meet at the hip. The birdsmouth cut is 3.5" for all jack and common rafters. The hip rafter is dropped and off center so that it lines up with the roof planes. The hip roof combines a 12:12 pitch with a 6:12 pitch.

View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=uc12480ec-9330-464b-93eb-56bc73878207

medeek

Version 1.3.9 - 03.14.2016

Out-to-out span of trusses in the trial version are now limited to a range of: 16 ft. (5m) - 32 ft. (9m).

medeek

Version 1.4.0 - 03.15.2016

Added LP Solidstart I-joists: 450, 530, 18, 36, 56.
Rim joist option enabled for LPI floor joists.

medeek

Version 1.4.1 - 03.16.2016

Added Soffit Cut within Advanced Options for Gable Roof and Gable Roof w/ GLB.

Over the next few days I will slowly add the Soffit Cut to all other roof types and trusses. Unfortunately, adding this feature in is not an easy fix like I had hoped so it will be somewhat of a slow process.

What makes it more complicated is making sure that the gable rafters or trusses receive the appropriate soffit cut along with the common rafters and trusses. The logic behind it is fairly straightforward once you've gone through it a couple times but figuring it all out initially was a chore.

Coming up on the 6 month anniversary of the plugin (April 7). I'm pretty excited with the amount of work I've been able to do on it. I would really like to get to some more big items on the list like secondary roofs and dormers but that will take a few days of uninterrupted programming which is really hard to come by at the moment. Lately, I have been addressing mostly minor items that I can knock out in a a couple of hours. I usually don't start into a big project unless I think I can complete it in one go since it is really hard to partially complete it and then try to jump back into it at a later date. The higher the complexity the more this holds true.

MtnArch

As an architect I know enough to get myself in BIG trouble before I get an engineer involved, and typically when I know I'm going to use a trussed roof I need to know some basic parameters - but most truss manufacturers/suppliers won't provide a design without an order (or a deposit). I really appreciate this plug-in (and bought it very early on) because it does what I need (and more) for a layout, spacing of outlookers/ladder framing at the eaves, webs, top chords/bottom chords, etc. before I (or the general contractor) has to pull the trigger with a manufacturer for the REAL calcs and drawings that are job-specific.

Thank you, Nathaniel, for one AMAZING plug-in! I wish I could convince more to purchase/support this amazing design tool you've given us!

medeek

Thank-you for the amazing endorsement and your continual support of this project. I was beginning to loose faith that the plugin had any merit a few days back but after reading your response I'm definitely re-energized and ready to burn some more midnight oil.

There is so much more than can be done, I could easily devote a solid year of programming into this plugin and the future Medeek Wall Plugin and still be needing to add more things.